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ShropshireMiss Tue 22-Feb-22 18:16:52

Good afternoon ladies. I am considering buying either a static caravan or lodge on a holiday park. The idea would be to go for frequent weekend short breaks, staying Friday and Saturday nights and going home on the Sunday. I’d love to find somewhere in North Wales not too far from the sea, ideally the Llandudno, Rhos-on-Sea, Colwyn Bay, Abergele, Conwy area.
I’ve started to look online, but it does seem a lot less straight-forwards than I hoped it would be. I’ve been reading about site fees, and these seem to vary so much, with for to fifteen thousand pounds being quoted for the same holiday park site. Also mention of licences for lodges or static caravans which last from fifteen to thirty years. Then the difference between buying new or pre-owned.
I would be really grateful if anyone could offer me advice from their own experience, especially about what pit-falls to beware of concerning things like site fees and licences. Also is there much practical difference between a static caravan and a lodge?
I don’t want one to stay in all year or for months on end (I think there is another thread on that type of park home), but rather one I could stay in at weekends.
Thanks for your help ladies.

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Dempie55 Fri 13-May-22 12:56:52

Strangely enough, I have been thinking about exactly the same thing, in exactly the same area. What is puzzling me is that nowhere seems to actually list the prices of their caravans/lodges, they all say "Get in touch". I would like some idea of prices before I get in touch!

Puzzled Fri 13-May-22 12:30:58

We did change to a small freehold bungalow!
It has central vacuum cleaning. The lead plugged into the hall allows everywhere to be vacuumed!
The annual running costs were and are, less than a static caravan, and we are masters of our own destiny!
And, best of all, instead of depreciating, it will be worth more when we come to sell.
We think that we made a good choice, as an alternative to a static van, (Much as we had enjoyed it, a good investment it was not)

MargotLedbetter Wed 11-May-22 23:13:05

I have friends who bought a lodge on the Welsh coast eight years ago and are starting to realise how much money it's actually going to end up costing them. With the money they had they could have bought a one-bedroom flat with a sea view, but the lodge looked very fancy and had a second bedroom and they went for that instead. They stunned me recently by saying that it's costing them £800 a month just to keep it. They pay council tax, site fees, fixed maintenance fees that they are contracted to pay and gas and electricity bills. They have to buy their bottled gas from the site owner at inflated prices and they have to pay a share of the cost of having the septic tank(s) emptied regularly. They are on a site that shuts down for 8 weeks a year, so they really only get 10 months' use of the place.

After only 8 years it's obvious that the lodge is going to require a lot of maintenance. Most winters there are storms that cause minor damage and leaks. The lodges look lovely in the summer, but really they're just glorified sheds.

They are thinking of selling up, but it's been valued at around 70% of what they paid for it and if they do sell, a percentage of the value will have to be paid to the park owner.

When they had a falling-out with the site owner he threatened to throw them off the pitch. It would have meant that they would have had to pay to have the lodge removed to somewhere else, leaving him to put a fancy new lodge on their pitch and sell it at a nice profit.

They bitterly regret not buying the smaller flat, which would be worth about 50% more now. Other friends bought a second hand camper van for £18,000 at around the same time the others bought the lodge. They've been all over the UK and Europe in it and have recently sold it for £12,500. They can't believe how it's held so much of its value while giving them years of low-cost holidays.

SuzieHi Wed 11-May-22 22:39:05

Maybe consider buying a dormobile sized tourer. Often called auto sleepers. Much easier to drive around and park than caravans or Motorhomes. Can keep it packed up ready to go. Easy for day trips or longer & can vary destinations.
You would need to consider all of the expenses of running as a second vehicle, unless you use it as your only vehicle. They hold their price well. They have all mod cons- if you can afford them! Or can get s basic model.
Could try hiring one to see if you like it before committing completely.

ShropshireMiss Wed 11-May-22 20:37:30

If I was buying a property, rather than a caravan or lodge, then I think it would have to be a very small bungalow rather than a leasehold apartment, because viewing the leasehold apartment, even though it was a really nice one one a 999 year lease, and seriously thinking of all the possible implications put me off an apartment.
It would have to be somewhere with a totally maintenance free garden with just slabs or gravel and a wall or fences, because I’m struggling to keep my own small garden tidy, so having a second garden to maintain on weekends visits would be a no no.

Puzzled Wed 11-May-22 18:37:20

We used to have a static caravan on a site a few yards from the beach.

PRO
Relaxing, Therapeutic (Kept me sane when work was heavily pressurised and totally boring)
Relatively low cost holidays.
You choose when to arrive or to go home, which can be convenient.
Available whenever you feel like, and can have, a break
Little or no extra furniture / equipment to buy.
Just open the door, climb in and relax! makes for fantastic times together.
Easier to access attractions than from home.

CONS
Vans can be expensive to buy!
Not your own boss
Cannot use all year.
Site rent, at the whim of the owner
Electricity prices ditto.
Power consumption limited (Ours was the equivalent of a single 13 Amp socket) Blow the trip and you inconvenienced a lot of others and made yourself unpopular with the site owner / warden
Gas bottle prices can be high, on site.
Some sites stipulate a ten year life for a van
Vans can only be sold or bought through the site in some cases.

What did we do?
When the costs began to match those of a local residence, we sold, with difficulty). Lost a lot of money, 90% of the purchase price.
Happened to find someone selling a very small bungalow, by avoiding agents fees, we got a good deal
We are our own masters, can use whenever we like, and lend to family or friends. gas and electricity prices are the normal commercial rates, not inflated.
Second home owners, whether caravanners or owners tend to be denigrated, but they do bring income to the locality.
IF you can afford it, bricks and mortar represent a far better investment,

Smileless2012 Mon 09-May-22 18:39:13

It's good to get your update ShropshireLass and I'm glad that you've been looking around and are taking your time. It's a big decision, one that we made about 8 years ago when we bought a static caravan before upgrading to a lodge 3 years ago and never regretted it.

In fact we're here now, came for 2 weeks and decided to stay for 3!!

ShropshireMiss Sun 08-May-22 16:24:12

Just an update. I saw a lovely modern apartment with sea views from the living room and balcony on sale on the coast in north Wales and went up for a viewing. It was lovely but expensive and would have used up three quarters of my savings and investments to buy. Plus there would be the council tax, and having to pay a second set of bills. I wouldn’t want to rent it out as I’d want it free for me to use every weekend, but not really sure I’d really want to do the hour and. A half / two hour car journey every Friday evening. And then as it’s a leasehold apartment block there is the possibility unpleasant expenses emerging in the future. Also it did have its own parking space, but I get the impression people living there with two cars sometimes use other people’s spaces if they don’t think they are being used, so I might get their on a Friday night to find my space occupied which could be a source of tension.
So I’ve gone back to my original idea of looking for some kind of holiday lodge. In the meantime I’ve treated myself to some nice new garden furniture so that I can enjoy sitting out in my own back garden more at weekends nice the weather is nice.

Pepper59 Thu 24-Feb-22 03:15:33

Other thing to remember is fuel prices are about to go sky high. Bottled gas will not be cheap and there is no price cap on bottled oil, so oil will be even more expensive.

Pepper59 Thu 24-Feb-22 03:12:20

Sadly this is something fraught with pitfalls. I knew a couple who got badly stung when, for certain reasons they had to sell their van. The ground fees were expensive. Why not just book a caravan holiday in a park you like? No worry about ground fees,etc. One thing to remember these holiday homes/caravans depreciate over the years. If you ever need to sell you will get nowhere near what you paid for it. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

TiggyW Wed 23-Feb-22 22:42:40

I wouldn’t buy anything static, for the reasons already given, that you will eventually feel that you have to go there ‘to get your money’s worth’.
A motor home sounds good - except that in our area (Greater Manchester) there is soon going to be a charge for older models within the new Clean Air Zone.
We have a different holiday problem - timeshare. Now that’s another story… ?

Thisismyname1953 Wed 23-Feb-22 20:38:55

My DB has a lodge on GlanGwna at Caernarfon. He’s had it at least 10 years now . It’s a lovely place with a small river running through the site . It has a kids playground. An entertainment centre with acts on in the warmer months and an outside swimming pool.
He pays ground rent and council tax. He can live there 10 months a year if he wants to . He also rents it out which covers his overheads .
It has 2 bedrooms, living area , bathroom and a kitchen . It also has a large veranda overlooking the lake .
You should be able to get one for £30,000 to £40,000 .

Seajaye Wed 23-Feb-22 20:35:39

I would never advise anyone to buy at static home on a leisure unless you get a long lease of a plot. Site licences are rarely assignable except by paying a large fee to the site owner. There are usually rules about the maximum age of the park home. Check the service charge costs as these will not be under your control and usually increase each year. The site owners energy costs will have escalated this year as well. I would try renting at the same site for a full year, as you will not usually pay too much more than the licence fee and service charge if you choose weeks outside school holidays to get a real feel for the place .

Madashell Wed 23-Feb-22 20:08:43

Treat yourselves to short hotel breaks - no fuss, no cooking, no housework or maintenance. There’s fun to be had in seeing what deals are on offer especially if you are flexible about when you go. Good luck and happy holidays where ever you go!

Romola Wed 23-Feb-22 16:11:58

I'm with the motorhome idea. We bought a VW campervan 12 years ago and we have loved the flexibility. It's under 5 metres long so will fit into most normal car-park slots. We have just sold it for 60% of what we paid and have bought a new(er) version - but had to pay a lot more this time as they have become very popular in the pandemic. If you want to be able to take it into many cities both here and on the continent, you do have to get a post-2017 version with "blue" diesel aditive. Good luck!

welshchrissy Wed 23-Feb-22 16:00:50

We have just had to reluctantly give up our static caravan due to health problems. It was in mid wales about 2hours from where we live. We used it so much summer and winter and absolutely loved it. The site had a clubhouse and a pool but most of the owners were like us retired and in the 5 years we owned it we made some very good friends. It cost us just over £3000 per year for site fees and insurance and we did not loose as much as we thought when we sold it back to the site. We think it was one of the best things we ever bought it suited us well

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 23-Feb-22 15:47:59

A caravan or motor home parked on your drive isn’t the most pleasant of sights and is forbidden on many developments.

bobbydog24 Wed 23-Feb-22 15:13:54

We purchased a used static caravan on a site we had been visiting for almost 40years with our tourer, in the Lakes. We decided on a static as my husband developed cancer in his spine therefore hooking up and winding legs down etc became impossible.
The site was small with lodges and caravans and most people had been there for years so were our friends. Our children loved going and now so do my grandchildren. Sadly my husband passed away August 2019 and pleaded with me to keep the caravan on for the grandchildren.
The site owner died and was taken over by his two (greedy, for want of a better word) sons.
No refund of fees were given even though we could not visit during lockdowns. They have almost doubled the site fees in 3 years and brought in the age cut off of caravans which did not apply before. They wont let you take your caravan off, wont give you anything for it yet we know they sell them on. You have to buy from them at ridiculously inflated prices due to people desperate for a holiday and everywhere booked up last year.
If you make any objections to the rules you are told to leave. These two chancers have ruined a lovely peaceful site and I for one will not be staying once my fees have come to the end.
So my advice is dont bother. These site owners are ruthless, money making con men and sadly they are not on their own.

Lots of people have left

OldHag Wed 23-Feb-22 15:07:57

We've recently bought our first motorhome after thinking about it on and off for years, and having previously owned a holiday home in Spain. We got rid of the place in Spain, because I was beginning to find plane travel difficult (I'm disabled), but like others have said, going to the same place time after time, does get a bit boring. Now we have the best of all worlds, as we absolutely love being able to stay at different places every night, or if we find a place we particularly like, we park up and stay a few days. We've not found it to be any trouble to put things away if we do want to go off site, plus a lot of the sites have a bus stop right outside, so if you want to you can use your bus pass (if you have one), to visit other places. You can also take lessons to improve your confidence driving, reversing etc. so if you're nervous, you can soon get the hang of it. We quite often read about ladies who have lost their life partner, and rather than getting rid of their motorhome have taken a few lessons and continued to enjoy life on the open road. Good luck with whatever you chose to do.

Serendipity22 Wed 23-Feb-22 14:46:39

Shazmo24 that is precisely the reason we gave ours up, week in and week out it was same old, same old and its really terrible to say this when i am utterly grateful that we had the ability to own a static BUT it was becoming a bind, thats awful to admit to but its true.

Smileless2012 Wed 23-Feb-22 14:07:19

That's why we love our site Operalover it's small, quiet and beautifully maintained.

Narrowboatnell Wed 23-Feb-22 13:57:16

Our site had no restriction on age of caravan . Long as you kept it all tidy all they asked. And they resold old ones if I n good condition or you bought new. .there was a considerable waiting list for old ones. But we were lucky in the end . Can't believe all that's over .'re having a motor home we loved having one the drawback was when you wanted to visit places packing everything away so could drive and park somewhere . Most car parks were full of didn't accommodate long vehicles. We saw so much more once had t he static . And if wanted a change we could go away other places while family made use of it. . My hubby doesn't want to tow. Caravans but you can leave them in seasonal pitches at some sites so that would prob be the best of both worlds. When you had enough you can go elsewhere. Lots do seasonal pitches. That would have been my next option.

Mummer Wed 23-Feb-22 13:48:04

I literally fail to see the attract and national obsession with owning holiday homes!!!who DO these folks think they are ? Our hospitality industry is on.its.knees. self catering with kids is no holiday for mum and of much fun for dads either if mum feels short changed -again on the so called 'holiday' ! Give me holidays where eating out, so some else doing the housekeeping ,luxury all the way for me can be as simple as fresh bedding every night!

Narrowboatnell Wed 23-Feb-22 13:47:09

Our site gave us nothing for our caravan when we gave it up .as my hubby said it must be worth something. But it wasn't. We also had to pay the fees up to leaving tho site had been closed since start season due to covid.And a thousand to remove it . They do have you to ransom definitely tho I thought they were lovely caring people who looked after us static owners .his comment your ground rent is still payable whether you are here or not really hurt as I thought of it as our home . Sadly it's ground rent . As long as you are able pay all the fees without worry and get there often enough it's lovely. We had a garden with the pitch we loved and spent lot time keeping up. It wasn't your run of the mill park in lines of close statics everyone had pitches with grass or big areas round them to make your own. Very unique. And right next to sheringham park the walks were beautiful through the trees to the sea. We just book holidays now cottages or lodges for now. While we see what we prefer . Peak season costs holidays are ridiculous we only go out school holidays. Which isn't ideal. Having static was lovely. Finding right site and owners isn't easy. We just loved ours and used to be there most time in the motorhome anyway so it seemed the right thing to do. All our things were there no extensive packing to do. Just clothes and towels bedding. And off we went. Our pitch has been taken over now. We visited the site And saw our caravan had gone. The atmosphere changed once covid came along. We weren't residents and valued . Just got to pay up. Tho the facilities were all shut staff had nothing to do. The fees were staying the same.