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Anyone know what happens if the police confiscate your car keys?

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kittylester Thu 12-May-22 21:04:36

Not me!! My lovely sister in law has dementia (as yet undiagnosed officially) and poor driving had been reported to the police.

It sounds as though the police handled it really well and were very kind to her, called her daughter to tell her and gave her keys to a responsible neighbour.

But, is she banned from driving? Can she demand her car keys and drive.

The police suggested that my niece disconnect the battery which she might do..

Anyone have any knowledge or experience please?

kittylester Thu 12-May-22 21:07:08

I have asked HQ to change pice to police- my phone is getting above itself.

Ladyleftfieldlover Thu 12-May-22 21:12:44

Our village taxi driver told me once that a lady in the village asked him to store her mother’s car in his garage for a while. She couldn’t accept she wasn’t safe on the road anymore. After a while the mum forgot all about the car.

BlueBelle Thu 12-May-22 21:13:22

Well she shouldn’t be allowed to drive with dementia should she ? I think the police have acted correctly and her family must act responsibly and make sure she stays off the road before she kills someone if her mind wanders

aggie Thu 12-May-22 21:20:43

I hid the keys in my dressing gown pocket , he had lost the spare long before , poor man thought he had lost the main key too but he wasn’t safe

kittylester Thu 12-May-22 21:22:37

Quite bluebelle. That wasn't my question.

Although having dementia isn't automatically a reason to stop people driving. And, she hasn't actually had a diagnosis yet.

And that is why I asked if anyone knew what the next step was. No-one wants her driving again so we want to know what happens next so her family can be ready.

Polly73 Thu 12-May-22 21:46:02

I would think the next stage would be to get a formal diagnosis of dementia? The GP or hospital consultant may then advise re driving?

www.england.nhs.uk/blog/driving-memory-loss-and-dementia/

OakDryad Thu 12-May-22 21:50:54

The next step is to consult a doctor:

You may find this helpful:

www.alzheimers.org.uk/get-support/staying-independent/driving-dementia-law

and this:

www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-guidance-for-doctors/confidentiality---patients-fitness-to-drive-and-reporting-concerns-to-the-dvla-or-dva/patients-fitness-to-drive-and-reporting-concerns-to-the-dvla-or-dva

Follow the related content link at the side to find out more about assessing fitness to drive.

kittylester Thu 12-May-22 21:52:44

She had an appt at the memory clinic but forgot to go. She has another in a couple of weeks.

I obviously didn't make myself clear in my op. What happens to her keys now? She won't be banned because of dementia for a while

Polly73 Thu 12-May-22 21:55:38

What is her attitude about it? Can one talk to her / reason with her / would she accept an inability to drive safely?

BlueBelle Thu 12-May-22 21:59:13

I do understand what you meant Kitty I think it is very often left to the family to either break the news or take the keys etc
In my experience friends with family with dementia have done just that
Perhaps the polices idea is the right one to disconnect the battery
Isn’t life difficult

Granny23 Thu 12-May-22 22:06:51

If a GP or Consultant diagnoses Dementia (or some other diseases/conditions e,g, Parkinson's), they have a duty to report this to the DVLA. The driver can then ask to be re-tested at a special test centre or voluntarily hand back their licence.

Alzheimer's chat room Talking Point has many posts on this topic, including ones from close family detailing various tactics they used to prevent their PWD driving

OakDryad Thu 12-May-22 22:11:32

Hmm. However well-meaning, taking and holding onto This question comes up from time to time in discussions about drink driving.

If you cannot persuade a doctor to contact the DVLA in this interim period before the formal diagnosis and she demands the keys I think all you can do is what we are instructed to do if someone is about the drink drive. Call 999, report the car's registration and whereabouts and let them assess the situation.

OakDryad Thu 12-May-22 22:13:04

The above should read ... holding onto someone else's keys can be construed as theft.

Glorianny Thu 12-May-22 22:16:59

It sounds as if the police are giving the family the chance to deal with it themselves. Which hopefully they will do. If her driving was bad enough to be reported and she carries on surely it can only result in an accident and injury for someone.

M0nica Thu 12-May-22 22:54:31

As I understand it a diagnosis of dementia means you have to stop driving immediately or until you can show you are fit ti drive.

Not dementia, DH went to see the doctor becaue he had sleep apnia and was having micro sleeps. The doctor told him from the moment of her diagnosis he could not drive until he could show that his sleep problem was monitored and under control

Teacheranne Thu 12-May-22 23:32:45

Granny23

If a GP or Consultant diagnoses Dementia (or some other diseases/conditions e,g, Parkinson's), they have a duty to report this to the DVLA. The driver can then ask to be re-tested at a special test centre or voluntarily hand back their licence.

Alzheimer's chat room Talking Point has many posts on this topic, including ones from close family detailing various tactics they used to prevent their PWD driving

Actually a GP or consultant do not have to report a diagnosis to the DVLA unless they believe that driving might be affected. When my mum was diagnosed the consultant told us that we needed to monitor mums driving and contact the DVLA if we felt that mum was driving badly. As it happens, mum decided herself to give up driving when she got her diagnosis so the DVLA were not informed.

Kitty, it’s possible that because of police involvement, your sister in laws insurance might be invalid.

Re the keys, it’s probably not fair to leave them with a neighbour, your sister in law might get cross and aggressive trying to get them back. Disconnecting the battery or making some other adjustment to stop the engine working is a more sensible move. It might be necessary to remove the car from the drive as seeing it there will be a constant reminder and cause great anxiety.

MissAdventure Thu 12-May-22 23:53:13

I would have thought the police might want her to take some kind of a test to check if she is safe to drive.

It is complicated, though.

Whiff Fri 13-May-22 06:03:43

This isn't the same situation. But think it still applies. My husband's cancer gave him secondary tumours 2 of which where in his brain he had 6 . But these where by the optical nerve. When he hit a cars wing mirror he admitted he's eyesight was changing. So once home I told him he could never drive again and took his keys . After the I've been driving for 30 years rant. Told him how would he feel if he hurt us or anyone else driving. He informed the DVLA that day and the car was off the road.

When someone's driving for any reason is getting worse then they have to be stopped. In your case your sister in law's family have to act. Take her keys even disable the car and tell the DVLA she has stopped driving . Next time she could hurt herself or someone else.

annsixty Fri 13-May-22 07:11:21

I did just what Whiff did.
My H had a diagnosis of Alzheimer’s and DVLA were waiting for a reply from the Dr.
I pre-empted this by telling my H he was no longer safe to drive and sent his licence to DVLA .
It didn’t go down well at first but was soon accepted by him.
He asked several times why he couldn’t drive but never really bothered.
My friend’s BiL was very aggressive when told he couldn’t drive anymore.
He threatened his wife on several occasions and would drive on his own.
It took his AC to intervene and take the car away.

Oopsadaisy1 Fri 13-May-22 07:29:42

Take the keys away, preferably park the car somewhere else, this lady is not fit to be driving, even without the official diagnosis.
Do you think her Insurance will cover her if she has an accident ? and heaven forbid she injures someone.

Katie59 Fri 13-May-22 07:37:33

We all want to be independant as long as possible but some take it too far.
Last year I was waiting at traffic lights in town when an elderly man drove his mobility scooter diagonally across the lights, he was wearing an oxygen mask and the cylinder fastened to the back of the scooter.
He should not have been allowed to do that, although he was only a danger to himself.

Froglady Fri 13-May-22 08:00:18

I would suggest that someone gets in touch with the DVLA and not to wait for a diagnosis because anything can happen in the time that you have to wait for that. Let the DVLA know what the situation is. They can come out and assess the driving and decide whether the person is capable or not.
This happened to a friend of my Mum's and when the assessment was made she was told by them that she couldn't drive any more.
With regards to the keys is this lady capable of simply ordering a replacement key herself? If she is she may do that and then she'll be driving again.
The idea about moving the car to somewhere else is a good idea.
It's a hard one is this. I wish you well.

kittylester Fri 13-May-22 08:09:47

Thank you for all your replies.

My query really was about now! Will she receive something official, will there be a time limit. Has she had a letter and put it in a drawer?

I volunteer with the carers of people living with dementia and have never heard of this happening.

A diagnosis of dementia doesn't mean an automatic driving ban and no one wants her driving again but we wonder what will happen next - from an official point of view.

M0nica Fri 13-May-22 08:18:08

I have yet to know anyone with dementia who was allowed to continue driving. You must also tell your insurance company immediately and they may well remove insurance cover and you are unlikey to find cover elsewhere.

I am yet to know anyone who has appealed, had a driving assessment and not had their licence taken away.