Identity documents

volver

Hello, one of the usual suspects here .

In a time where the government are talking about deporting people they don't want to be here, or electronically tagging them like criminals. In a time when the government are trying to limit our freedom to protest. In a time when they are trying to limit access to the democratic process through making it more difficult to vote. In a time when the government are riding roughshod over all manner of UK and international laws.

You want to introduce ID cards. Because what could possibly go wrong? ??‍♀️

... that's the difference between here - and Norway!

I wasn't even asked to produce my ID card when I was caught speeding in a tunnel (only a tad - couldn't see the speedometer) by the Police. Not even my driving licence... I just got a wagging finger.

Anyway, Johnson's totally opposed to the idea - or was at one time... as he said...

“It is perfectly obvious that the Government intends these ID Cards to one day be made compulsory. I want to make it clear that I will in no circumstances carry one and even were I compelled to do so, I would take it out and destroy it on the spot were I ever asked to produce it. It is a plastic poll tax that will do nothing to assist the struggle against terrorists and will hugely expand the powers of the state over the individual”. (2005)

Of course, he might have changed his mind since... after mulling over his own words in that last sentence ...

That is not considered to be the case by anybody who understands the situation. It explains it in the BBC article I posted on another thread.

An extract from that article:

It has been suggested that the UK's job market attracts migrants - a claim supported by the French Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin who said they could find work without needing identity papers. There aren't reliable surveys to support this though.

Marley Morris, an immigration expert at the IPPR think tank says the UK has introduced policies that make it harder to work illegally.

"While we don't have ID cards, the policies introduced make it much harder to work illegally, [and] employers are fined for employing someone for not having the right to work."

it is thought that one of the reasons so many people, asylum seekers, are not content to remain in france, and take great risks to reach uk, is that uk is one of v few countries that does not have ID cards.

Nothing that concerns me.

Nothing that concerns me. Perfectly happy to have an ID card and produce it when required, including at a polling station.

Hello, one of the usual suspects here .

In a time where the government are talking about deporting people they don't want to be here, or electronically tagging them like criminals. In a time when the government are trying to limit our freedom to protest. In a time when they are trying to limit access to the democratic process through making it more difficult to vote. In a time when the government are riding roughshod over all manner of UK and international laws.

You want to introduce ID cards. Because what could possibly go wrong? ??‍♀️

Have just sent off my passport renewal form (expired passport somewhere in the house, put away safely by late DH) because it is the most effective form of ID. Doubt whether I will use it to travel but you never know.

I don’t understand why there’s such resistance to them. Well I do understand because the arguments are put forward by the usual suspects.

That’s right, carrying an ID card is not onerous, and does allow anyone to prove who they are if required.

I renewed my husband’s passport for this reason. I also changed his bank accounts from paperless so they send out bank statements with his address on.
All utilities etc are in my name! (he has dementia so I deal with his paperwork)

silverlining48

I wouldn’t have a problem with ID cards here, they certainly are helpful in many circumstances including legal situations.
Being stopped in the street here by police say, we could call ourselves whatever we liked and give a fake address dob etc and often get away with it.
No chance of that in Europe. They have to carry the cards at all times.

No chance of that in Europe. They have to carry the cards at all times.

Which is more or less the same as carrying your bank card(s) around with you, I guess.

I worked in Norway for 12 years and was never once stopped randomly and asked to show my ID... only used it for opening accounts, etc.

I hope CBT61's mother will have some bills with her name on that she can use - and will be accepted as ID... I think Council Tax ones usually are. It would be expensive to have to renew her Passport just to use as a form of ID!

No that wouldn’t be enough. Photographic ID and proof of address is needed. I remember one firm I worked for had a black man produce a white man’s passport for his ID! Needless to say he was shown the door pretty quickly.

NHS number?

I wouldn’t have a problem with ID cards here, they certainly are helpful in many circumstances including legal situations.
Being stopped in the street here by police say, we could call ourselves whatever we liked and give a fake address dob etc and often get away with it.
No chance of that in Europe. They have to carry the cards at all times.

silverlining48

Most countries certainly in Europe, have had id systems in place for years, everyone has a card to show as required for identification.
Hope your mum gets things sorted out, it’s awkward I know.

I had an ID card when I worked in Norway - it really makes life that little bit easier.

We do so much online now that paper bills etc are used less and less. Not everyone has a Passport or a Driving Licence.

However, we as a nation are opposed to the idea, for various reasons, so I doubt we'll ever go for that system.

Personally, I wouldn't mind having an ID card - ID is now needed so often and companies / solicitors / banks, etc, have different rules about what form of ID they will or will not accept. But obviously others are dead set against them... so that's the end of it really.

I used an NHS hospital appointment letter, and my friend uses a bank statement, you can fold it so they can't see your cash transactions, or cover those parts if you're taking a photo.
It IS annoying, all our utility bills, rates, etc are in my DH's name.

Agree with GSM. Need to ask whoever as rules vary, some will accept utility bills others only valid passport or photo driving licence.

I renewed my passport when it expired for this very reason. I do not intend to travel abroad again. It has been useful for ID purposes as it can be verified online by giving the number to whoever needs it.

The bus pass has a photograph and what about the latest Council Tax bill. No-one can argue with that. If you can't scan them then take a photo of both then you can submit them online.

You can get a citizens card. They cost around £15. My mum had to do this a few years ago as her passport had expired and she doesn't drive.

Solicitors will want to see photographic ID and proof of address. They wouldn’t normally accept an expired passport or driving licence. If you don’t have paper utility bills you probably have something else which is acceptable proof of address such as a bank or building society statement, P60 or letter from DWP about pension or other benefits. Speak to whoever it is that is going to want to see evidence of identity well in advance to see what they will accept.

Bus pass is good. Passport better.

Most countries certainly in Europe, have had id systems in place for years, everyone has a card to show as required for identification.
Hope your mum gets things sorted out, it’s awkward I know.

Thanks for the thoughts. She hasn’t currently got a need for ID- just wants to be prepared!

I am in the same situation, both driving licence and passport expired. I also bank online and am paperless for all bills.

I have not yet needed to prove my identity but would have to take advice from the organisation asking as to what they will accept.
Very good question.