Justice in the UK for Trafficking/fraud/mi sogyny etc

Have you read what Andrew Tate is teaching the young men about how to treat women or researched how wide his audience is?

Not my words (I copied and pasted because I can't say this any better)

How can so many people still be in the thrall of Farage and Reform UK when harldy a day goes by without another horrifying story about Farage emerges. Now he's telling us that Andrew Tate is an important voice for men. Tate is a vile representation of the human race. who glorifies hitting and choking women. Why would any woman vote for Reform UK?
www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/20/nigel-farage-andrew-tate-important-voice-men-podcast-interview

00opsidia

Have you read what Andrew Tate is teaching the young men about how to treat women or researched how wide his audience is?

Logistically it's impossible to use AT as the cause of the horrific rise in rapes and sexual assault.

Anyway, imo, he is a symptom not the cause.

It needs a more incisive exploration of the problem to get an effective solution.

A look at other countries situations helps.

Getting back to the point, if anyone cares enough about our British victims of Andrew Tate to want to either share this link or contribute, here it is.

www.crowdjustice.com/case/hold-andrew-tate-accountable/

If some of you want to go in other directions then that's totally up to you, but I'm focused on the reason I made the post.

And yes, we can all find problems abroad but why oh why is it more attractive to do that while turning a blind eye to the suffering of our own?

Misogynistic teachings have caused problems everywhere but we cannot help everyone all at once so there needs to be a focus in order to make a difference and this is mine.

Lee Anderson, Richard Tice and Rupert whatsisname, the 3 Reform MP's all went to the Jim Davidson show at Skegness (I think that's where it was). Lee posted on FB how wonderful it was to laugh, be in a theatre full (!) of people, ordinary folk who were not woke. Sums it up for me really. If ever there is a combination to bring a shudder, it is an evening with Tice and Anderson, watching Jim Davidson. Would rather take out my own appendix with a rusty knife.

Namsnanny - I think that 00opsidia is making an important stand on a serious subject .

HousePlantQueen

Lee Anderson, Richard Tice and Rupert whatsisname, the 3 Reform MP's all went to the Jim Davidson show at Skegness (I think that's where it was). Lee posted on FB how wonderful it was to laugh, be in a theatre full (!) of people, ordinary folk who were not woke. Sums it up for me really. If ever there is a combination to bring a shudder, it is an evening with Tice and Anderson, watching Jim Davidson. Would rather take out my own appendix with a rusty knife.

I have seen Jim Davidson, he was admittedly very un PC but extremely entertaining and hilarious.

DH and I have been asking ourselves lately what kind of a world do we now live in? We don't recognise it as the same one we grew up in.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm

discussion on bbc radio 4 right now on
Extreme Misogyny

part of AntiSocial series with Adam Fleming

Totally with you, 00opsidia.

Esmay

Namsnanny - I think that 00opsidia is making an important stand on a serious subject .

I'm appreciative of your intelligence and understanding Esmay.

I think some people fail to understand the gravity of the situation and prefer to make jokes out of ignorance. I shall overlook it as I'm sure if it was their daughter, Mother, sister or friend they would be devastated. Perhaps some people can only have compassion for suffering if it's close to home.

Wyllow3

Totally with you, 00opsidia.

Thanks Wyllow3 and I'm right there with the victims seeking justice.

Things have changed a lot @Skydancer and not for the better.

I want to wish the surviors of Trafficking the best. I want to see them get justice. Not because I am one, not because I am related to one, but because I feel so sorry for anyone who has been Trafficked. Many were underage and taken from their families. Devastating for them and for their families.

Anyone who wants to make a joke of that must have no empathy or understanding of what Trafficking is.

00opsidia

And yes, we can all find problems abroad but why oh why is it more attractive to do that while turning a blind eye to the suffering of our own?

Misogynistic teachings have caused problems everywhere but we cannot help everyone all at once so there needs to be a focus in order to make a difference and this is mine.

you don't understand.

Other countries have experiences and resolutions that we can learn from.

I just don't think it is productive to find the easiest target and look no further.

Of course you can ignore other opinions that is your choice.

GG13, each to their own of course, but vulgar racism and misogyny isn't my idea of entertainment. The fact that Jim Davidson is reduced to an end of the pier show in Skegness illustrates that thankfully, I am not alone in this

Who else should we be focussing on Namsnannyas well as Tate, to keep women safe and our young men given better role models?

Tate isnt an easy target at all, if he was we'd have been rid of his dangerous and pernicious influence some time ago.

Namsnanny

00opsidia

And yes, we can all find problems abroad but why oh why is it more attractive to do that while turning a blind eye to the suffering of our own?

Misogynistic teachings have caused problems everywhere but we cannot help everyone all at once so there needs to be a focus in order to make a difference and this is mine.

you don't understand.

Other countries have experiences and resolutions that we can learn from.

I just don't think it is productive to find the easiest target and look no further.

Of course you can ignore other opinions that is your choice.

No, you don't understand.

I have stated my point in plain English.

I do not think AT is the easiest target. That is why as women we should stand together against trafficking. You have made it clear you won't support these poor trafficked young women.

Do you know, AT IS in another country right now? (where he has also damaged females). You could try doing some research about other countries.

If I wanted to make a post about other countries, I would , but I was pretty specific on this for a reason.

I look forwards to hearing how you would make the world a better place for all women!

I think I am too Esmay

Did you think I was being frivolous? I can assure you I'm not.

Quite the contrary. I find the subject so serious that I fear if we don't attempt to look at it clearly and thoroughly it will only get worse.

I have many many opinions about what is happening and where it may lead.

Too many to put here. I support many many organizations who do good work.

We must look at all sides and of the problem, if we are serious about finding a solution.

I just don't think a one stop shop is the answer.

I repeat I do think my points are important, and I am serious in my replies.

00opsidia

Anyone who wants to make a joke of that must have no empathy or understanding of what trafficking is

If this is aimed at me because I said the following

You've left out Breixt HPQ that must be one of the factors surely? (joke)

It is disingenuous of you to anonymously accuse me of a lack of understanding or empathy.

I recognise this is the verbal style people often use to attack those who don't agree completely with them these days.

We are all expected to fall into line with some points of view.

Whilst I join you in agreeing the plight of trafficked people especially children, is horrendous, and we should all try to do our best to stop it.

It doesn't follow that I put much faith in the solution you have put forward, and I have in some small way explained why.

00opsidia

Namsnanny

00opsidia

And yes, we can all find problems abroad but why oh why is it more attractive to do that while turning a blind eye to the suffering of our own?

Misogynistic teachings have caused problems everywhere but we cannot help everyone all at once so there needs to be a focus in order to make a difference and this is mine.

you don't understand.

Other countries have experiences and resolutions that we can learn from.

I just don't think it is productive to find the easiest target and look no further.

Of course you can ignore other opinions that is your choice.

No, you don't understand.

I have stated my point in plain English.

I do not think AT is the easiest target. That is why as women we should stand together against trafficking. You have made it clear you won't support these poor trafficked young women.

Do you know, AT IS in another country right now? (where he has also damaged females). You could try doing some research about other countries.

If I wanted to make a post about other countries, I would , but I was pretty specific on this for a reason.

I look forwards to hearing how you would make the world a better place for all women!

other countries have experiences and resolutions we can learn from

Is it wrong to learn about a subject?

Why do you continue to think I know nothing about AT.

Skydancer

DH and I have been asking ourselves lately what kind of a world do we now live in? We don't recognise it as the same one we grew up in.

True.

Things lots of things have changed.

My guess is an awful lot of the changes have contributed, but it is going to be very hard to find out exactly what will help move things to a better place.

Namsnanny

I think I am too Esmay

Did you think I was being frivolous? I can assure you I'm not.

Quite the contrary. I find the subject so serious that I fear if we don't attempt to look at it clearly and thoroughly it will only get worse.

I have many many opinions about what is happening and where it may lead.

Too many to put here. I support many many organizations who do good work.

We must look at all sides and of the problem, if we are serious about finding a solution.

I just don't think a one stop shop is the answer.

I repeat I do think my points are important, and I am serious in my replies.

00opsidia

Anyone who wants to make a joke of that must have no empathy or understanding of what trafficking is

If this is aimed at me because I said the following

You've left out Breixt HPQ that must be one of the factors surely? (joke)

It is disingenuous of you to anonymously accuse me of a lack of understanding or empathy.

I recognise this is the verbal style people often use to attack those who don't agree completely with them these days.

We are all expected to fall into line with some points of view.

Whilst I join you in agreeing the plight of trafficked people especially children, is horrendous, and we should all try to do our best to stop it.

It doesn't follow that I put much faith in the solution you have put forward, and I have in some small way explained why.

I'm shocked you feel able to joke on a thread which is about young girls being trafficked.

Believe it or not, I was making one specific point. I cannot possibly solve the world's issues, but I can highlight some of them and try to help. I don't bite off more than I can chew and I won't pretend I can solve the world's problems when I can't.

Good for you that you do help in other places. I'm sure many caring people do. I just thought some of them might grab some compassion for these girls in particular who are under our noses in our country.

Well, I would advise you to become a little more discerning when reading, as my comments had nothing to do with trafficking, as it was very clear to see.

You don't have to solve the worlds problems.

My point was looking at other countries ways of addressing this problem may help in looking how we go forward.

No doubt I am not putting my point correctly, as you seem not to understand what I mean?

Compassion?

That comes from all kinds of people, and is shown in all kinds of ways.

Just trying to get a full picture of the situation but its difficult.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyglgy8j3eo

It looks as if he is being held under house arrest for recent charges in Romania and the situation as regards extradition is that these charges/any sentence have to be in court and if convicted served out before extradition.

But these charges don't appear to relate to online hate crimes

and it's through these that Tate has so much influence and become a cult figure, and X won't ban him.
I'd hope we could extradite him for the online crimes against women.

Todays (29th) Guardian has an incisive article by Frances Ryan in the Opinion section regarding femicide and the avalanche of male violence, particularly through this year, and the never-ending litany of murder after murder after murder of women (and children).