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Blondiekins Mon 18-Aug-25 12:39:09

Hi We are in a dilemma. Thinking of changing churches but not sure how long we may be staying in the area. Feeling we need to be nearer family eventually. My elderly parents are 5 hours away from us just now and our son is 7 hours away so if we moved near him and the grandchildren we would be nearer my parents including my siblings who live near them too.
Thing is we just dont know what to do despite praying about it day in and day out! We love our church family but not the denomination. There is another church in the town that is more our cup of tea but Im just not feeling it because the community just isnt the same but I feel guilty for having that reason as the preaching is better there. If we knew we were going to stay here forever it would make more sense to me to move to the other church and throw ourselves in but if not maybe we should just stay put in the church we attend already? The problem is we just dont know. Should we just decide to move & draw a line under this adventure or wait for God to somehow tell us to move like He did last time? We really love living here but we do have irritations in our neighbourhood that spoil the peace especially in these summer months so Im not feeling I want to stay in this house long term. Obviously feeling unsettled like we do means buying another house here isnt an option either. Id be so sad to leave all our friends here but perhaps we are still young enough to move and make new ones? I also like the weather better in the south. I hate uncertainty as you can tell. Can anyone relate or offer us any words of wisdom please?

NLnanna Fri 22-Aug-25 17:12:28

Move nearer to your family. As we get older, the proximity to family is very important, for all involved. Your seem to have a strong faith, so believe that your God will guide you. He wants us to be happy and what could be happier than being nearer to your family, especially your grandchildren.

polnan Fri 22-Aug-25 16:43:24

I can only say what my dh and I did. when I retired miles from our family, first gchild born, I knew I had to be nearer them, though it didn`t work out quite as I had hoped, ie. helping bringing up the gka.s. I was just over 60 years of age, we moved, to a smaller and not such a beautiful area,, I truly felt God told me to go to my present church,, for nearly 25 years it has been good.. dh ill, died, I am still here, church was good, now a new vicar,, nuff said.. but glad I did move when we did.. closer to grown up gks now than when they were growing up,

mskaz Fri 22-Aug-25 16:09:50

Move closer to your parents, and son & grandchildren, while you are still young enough to mske the move. It is a no brainer. You will find another church community there, and can keep in touch with this one via Zoom. When push comes to shove, blood is thicker than water.

Allsorts Fri 22-Aug-25 15:19:21

Just move, you are not going to get divine intervention as there are wars and starvation to sort out first.

welbeck Fri 22-Aug-25 15:13:13

Family can and often do move.

butterandjam Fri 22-Aug-25 15:03:59

Blondiekins

" Someone we know in their eighties has just said to our moving friend that they wish they had moved nearer family 10 years ago so perhaps we should? "

If you wait until one of you becomes frail, or you can't drive, you risk being too old/frail/immobile to cope with househunting, selling your home, and organising the sorting, packing, removal of your household.

I've seen several older friends make that mistake, then find the,selves trapped , too far away from family for family to provide enough care and help. The oldies couldn't even tour round residential homes to pick the best.

Moving churches is relatively trivial. Selling/buying. moving house long distance is tough, and the older you are the tougher it gets

Skye17 Fri 22-Aug-25 14:58:43

StripeyGran

I can't understand how God would help you decide and yet he or she can't intervene in Gaza.

Sorry but very grateful for any insights into this.

I also wondered why God doesn’t intervene to prevent dreadful things, when I was a agnostic looking into
Christianity. In my case, it was Auschwitz I wondered about. But now I think that as God knows everything and humans don’t, it is very possible that he knows things that we don’t about why he doesn’t intervene. We can never know that God does not have sufficient reason for not intervening.

From what I know about him, I believe he is good, and I trust him about the things I don’t understand.

As for helping someone decide whether to move house or church: he loves them and he decides to do that. I have had the experience of being guided by God and I know many people who have.

Skye17 Fri 22-Aug-25 14:51:10

missdeke I think that’s a good insight.

missdeke Fri 22-Aug-25 14:28:47

I really don't see any problem, you are not satisfied with the church you attend, you don't think the second one is up to scratch either and you want to be nearer your extended family. It seems to me that the only thing holding you back is you like the community where you are now. So what's more important, your current community or your family. Only you can decide that.

Blondiekins Tue 19-Aug-25 18:39:14

Thanks again for the second round of comments. Funnily enough a very close friend from church rang this afternoon to say they are moving to be near their daughter. So another nudge for us! Perhaps all this unsettledness is more about having to move from the area not just the church! Its true to say that a lot of our friends here have moved here to be near family so perhaps we are just coming to the end of an era? As one of you said maybe we should just wait and see. Afterall we really don"t want to leave 2 churches. Just wish we could take the weather with us if we move.

Blondiekins Tue 19-Aug-25 16:45:04

Thank you for the second round of comments too. A very good friend has just phoned to say they are putting their house on the market and moving 3.5 hours away to be near their daughter & grandchild. Timing is interesting! Its just made me wonder if indeed all the unsettledness Im feeling is more about maybe having to move area not just church! I think like one of you said we should just stay put and wait and see. Like I said we dont want to leave 2 churches. I guess once the new term starts and things settle we may instinctively know its time to move. Someone we know in their eighties has just said to our moving friend that they wish they had moved nearer family 10 years ago so perhaps we should? Tbh a lot of our friends here have moved here to be nearer grandchildren so I guess thats the way it goes. Nothing stays the same and yes ministers move on too and thus the feel of a church changes too. Anyway thanks I feel a better sense of clarity now. Just wish I could take the weather here with me!

Cabbie21 Tue 19-Aug-25 09:08:51

Thank you for coming back to add more information.
We moved to be nearer family. We tried our parish church and felt very comfortable there. Unfortunately the vicar became too ill and had to retire and the next one made so many drastic changes that over the next 12 months 45 people left. Despite the great community of friends, his decisions meant we could not stay. I now worship in a nearby village church, singing in the choir.
Things can change.

Smileless2012 Tue 19-Aug-25 09:06:54

Being a member of a church is often a combination of the two Luckygirl with the social aspect being of equal importance.

The place can matter Whiff because the act of worship varies according to the church. I still really miss our last church, it was C of E but 'high church' with sung mass which was beautiful and as a member of the choir I sang psalms which I'd never done before and loved.

Luckygirl3 Tue 19-Aug-25 08:58:09

StripeyGran - I have none.

StripeyGran Tue 19-Aug-25 08:51:28

I can't understand how God would help you decide and yet he or she can't intervene in Gaza.

Sorry but very grateful for any insights into this.

Luckygirl3 Tue 19-Aug-25 08:43:59

Maybe ask yourself what the purpose of the church is for you. Is it religious or social?

Move to where you want to be and research churches and social opportunities when you get there.

madeleine45 Tue 19-Aug-25 08:26:22

Well I go back to my tried and tested ways of dealing with things as you will have read in other posts I have put on here. I suggest that you need two separate things to work on. So on the point of moving nearer family I would get two pieces of paper. On one you write the positives about moving nearer, and on the other the negatives. Each time you write something on the paper fold it over, so that it is not visitble and continue on like this. Do the same for how you feel about the churches. I suggest that you do this individually and dont discuss it between yourselves. Then after a few weeks, or when y ou feel you have put everything down that you think is relevant, then on a miserable day get the coffee and sit at the table with each other and open up the papers.

The first thing you want to do is still work alone, but look at the reasons you have put down and collect them into groups. So you might put, enjoy the group, with like working with others on a project, and am happy to take charge of some aspect together. So this is showing you like working with others etc and would prefer that to working alone. When you have done your own list, swap over and look at the other persons list. You may be surprised by something written theire or disagree with their view of what they like or do. With a bit of luck this will ensure that you have not missed out something of importance to you and possibly point out some snags that you had not thought of. Then you also should look at the family situation. If you move nearer to them now is it likely that they could then move elsewhere later on so that you might have moved for nothing?

Can you afford to spend perhaps even up to a month bed and breakfast in autumn or winter, when the weather cant kid you that it is all lovely there. If you can do that you will find out much more about the actual place, and you can visit the churches and wander around. Then get the local paper while you are then and perhaps get them to post them to you when you get home. This will give you lots of information about what goes on in the area, groups like WI or rotarians or whatever, and over time you will see if there is a particular area, perhaps near a pub that is in the local news for late evening problems or fights etc. All good ideas to let you have an idea which area you might like to live in.

You may be surprised by what the outcome is. Sometimes you discover that what you thought was important is not compared to other things. Friends are very precious and those you have had for years know you as you know them like no other. Keeping in close touch with them would be very important to me. You might end up deciding that you really prefer to stay where you are. So could you look at other ways of keeping in touch with the family where you might aim to visit them perhaps once a month from where you live now, or perhaps you could be finding someone trustworthy in their area who you would be prepared to pay to do small jobs for them and to check that they were ok and let you know, if you all felt happy to do that? Well even if you read this and think, none of this is for me, it will start you thinking of other ideas. Also if you have particular hobbies, gardening, beekeeping, cycling or whatever, if you look around you will find clubs or groups in the new area who you can contact. they will be able to advise you on how things work in their areas etc. I have moved 19 times as an adult and 6 as a child, having all sorts of experiences but keeping good friends is one of the top of my lists and am proud of my oldest friendship as I met my friend at aged 2 and we still are friends at 80 now. We have often not lived near one another but have been a support for each other over the years and make sure that we meet up for lunches etc. The great thing is that whatever comes or goes, she is my friend and I can trust her judgement and she of course knows all about my life as I do hers. Wishing you a good journey of discovery as to where you might go next

Wyllow3 Tue 19-Aug-25 07:57:43

The way a community of people in a faith group relate to each other, and the ideas they have about relating to God/Gods/or the Spirit....does however matter a great deal.

Just as it matters with any group who have come together with the same purposes. For example, people change gardening associations or arts and crafts groups because there are "people problems" within the group.

JamesandJon33 Tue 19-Aug-25 05:53:40

Well said Whiff

Whiff Mon 18-Aug-25 23:56:04

My parents were Christians but didn't.believe you need to go too church to worship god . As according to the bible god is everything.

I am an atheist have been since I was 14 I read the bible and my parents left it up to believe or not . I have been told by so called Christians I will burn in the fires of hell . Pointed out I don't believe in god and heaven so why would I believe in the devil and hell. Pointed I will burn when cremated.

Unfortunately through out my life I have meet so called Christians who only did things for other church goers . If that's Christian behaviour you can keep it.

If you are a true believer in god and want to go too church to worship then you can worship in any church. As surly it's the act of worship is what you go to do . Place doesn't matter.

Wyllow3 Mon 18-Aug-25 21:57:18

JoyBloggs

OP I'm sure you probably already know this but many churches now have a YouTube channel where you can watch their services and listen to their sermons. You can often get a good 'feel' for the kind of community it is.

Some churches publish a weekly newsletter on their website with a calendar of events and various group meetings which gives a good idea of how lively a parish is (or isn't!).

Very good point.

Spring20 Mon 18-Aug-25 21:23:32

You can always visit the other church maybe once a month if it’s the good preaching you appreciate. If you are unsettled I wouldn’t make any big decisions…..give it time and things will become clear. We nearly moved a couple of years ago, but were unsure. 2 years on I’m very glad we didn’t. That doesn’t mean we won’t move if circumstances change, but if you are already in turmoil then personally I’d wait. No church community is perfect, but if you have good friends there and your integrity isn’t being compromised, again I’d hold on for a while. And perhaps talk it over with family members….especially the younger ones you are planning to move closer too.

JoyBloggs Mon 18-Aug-25 21:06:24

OP I'm sure you probably already know this but many churches now have a YouTube channel where you can watch their services and listen to their sermons. You can often get a good 'feel' for the kind of community it is.

Some churches publish a weekly newsletter on their website with a calendar of events and various group meetings which gives a good idea of how lively a parish is (or isn't!).

welbeck Mon 18-Aug-25 20:34:38

You can read collections of sermons.
I'd be wary of going somewhere for the preaching. Some of the most successful and popular preachers have turned out to be some of the worst abusers.
All that cult of the personality and having a following.
Where you are at the moment sounds more healthy and having Christian spirit of fellowship and community.
Who cares about denomination.

Blondiekins Mon 18-Aug-25 16:08:41

Thanks for your comments. We arent in a rush to move its just on my mind that this area is more for families not retired people like us., but I realise due to elderly parents and growing grandkids that we cant leave it too long. Weve explored all the churches nearby and so the one that isnt quite our cup of tea is the best of the rest.
Maybe as one of you said there isnt much point in moving churches if we think we may be moving area even though we dont know when that would be.

We are not in a USA situation of travelling far. We have a church in mind that we would join if we moved near our son but the time to move doesnt seem right yet. Sorry if Im confusing anyone. I guess writing all this down has helped me answer my own question. If we arent going to stay here why bother changing churches thus ending up leaving 2! Its not as if we lothe where we attend its just that we dont feel well fed and the other church has better preaching. Like I said I just feel guilty that Im opting for community and serving over better preaching. I guess you can feed yourself but you cant manufacture community.