What is going to stop Putin ?

Jeannied

I should be what is going to stop Zelensky. He doesn't want the war to stop. He is too busy money laundering and getting rich.

Bull****!

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David49

Casdon

The real question is whether Putin’s power and vision will last beyond his life I think. The same applies to Netanyahu and to Trump. So much of what is happening seems to be personality and ego driven, and those very strong leaders are all old, and not in good health. I’m not convinced that any of them are representative of their electorates, and what will happen when they are no longer around is an unknown.

Russia has no shortage of despots that will step into Putins shoes when he goes, while he has the support of China to buy his oil and other resources, that’s not likely to change China will increase the supply of technology to continue the war, if it is escalated, it suits China nicely to have Ukraine as a distraction for the west.

Exactly - and all Trumps sycophantic minions seem to have the same lack of morals or empathy that he has . But as for the voters changing after his death I’m dubious, Vance as Vice President is just as nasty and self- serving. My own hope is that Trump carries on in the way he is going, decimating the USA and NOT lowering prices and housing, etc, …and then there is the little matter of the Epstein Files that his base is riled up about… so that all this combined will bring him down SOON and the US might collectively get a overall dose of common sense back? As for getting the Peace Prize which he has longed for, unless a miracle happens, just his bombing Iran alone should stymie that? Let alone his stopping help and lack of action elsewhere in particular Gaza and Ukraine. His stopping foreign aid shouldn’t help either, which by doing so has condemned many peoples in third world counties to death!

Really? We're you happy when Obama got it.

I should be what is going to stop Zelensky. He doesn't want the war to stop. He is too busy money laundering and getting rich.

Death.
Then another one will take his place.

A bullet (hopefully very soon) odious little warmongering dictator!

Nuclear War?

Sorry meant ALL THREE

MollyNew

Trump is too chummy with Putin and Netanyahu. It's pretty obvious they're doing deals behind closed doors to carve up various bits of the world whilst appearing to want peace. They just want to line their own pockets and fuel their own egos.

Exactly … that’s why Trump is stalling on any action and just making some conciliatory murmurs occasionally ! Evil human beings both!

David49

Casdon

Oh David, just look at history.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-54142487

That article was 2020, I’d forgotten about Belarus, Lukashenko is a ally of Putin, it’s pretty unlikely that Belarus is going to be allowed freedom any sooner than Ukraine, in fact Putin winning Ukraine might secure Belarus further.

We are not hearing anything about European action against Russia or the countries buying their oil are they doing anything

The purpose of posting the article, which was obviously based on research rather than one person’s opinion, and necessarily covers broader than just Europe, was to demonstrate that dictators do get ousted. I’m no less worried about Putin currently than you or anybody else David49, but there’s no need to paint the blackest of scenarios without evidence, is there?

In answer to the original question:

Only a country/countries more powerful and ruthless.

Casdon

Oh David, just look at history.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-54142487

That article was 2020, I’d forgotten about Belarus, Lukashenko is a ally of Putin, it’s pretty unlikely that Belarus is going to be allowed freedom any sooner than Ukraine, in fact Putin winning Ukraine might secure Belarus further.

We are not hearing anything about European action against Russia or the countries buying their oil are they doing anything

MollyNew

Trump is too chummy with Putin and Netanyahu. It's pretty obvious they're doing deals behind closed doors to carve up various bits of the world whilst appearing to want peace. They just want to line their own pockets and fuel their own egos.

A truly Unholy Trinity.

We all know that the only way that Putin and Netanyahu will come to heel is if trump does the right thing. He needs to stop sending arms to Israel and impose the toughest sanctions on Russia. But will he? He’s probably the most uneducated POTUS of recent times and has no decency, diplomacy or empathy. He also lies at a world class standard! Monica suggested assassination. Good idea Monica. We could put the dreaded Farage on the list too.

David49

Casdon

That’s not my point David49. A despot can only rule if the people in their own country are compliant. It is personality driven. Putin may be succeeded by a clone - it’s highly unlikely Trump will be, which changes the dynamics again.

The people dont have to be compliant it’s all about power Putins opposition have a habit of disappearing, China and North Korea the same, opposition is not permitted.

As for Trump, Ukraine is not important to the US, his priority is to stop the war, it’s now up to Europe to support Ukraine

Trump's priority is to stop the war?
Maybe he thought he could just tell Putin to send his armies back?
Putin plays Trump for the fool he is, and has no desire to stop the war until he has achieved his objective, which is to occupy the whole of Ukraine.
I agree that Europe does have to step up and support Ukraine and begin to ignore Trump, as he hasn't a clue.
This though, will be very costly and will take years I'm afraid...

Oh David, just look at history.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-54142487

Casdon

That’s not my point David49. A despot can only rule if the people in their own country are compliant. It is personality driven. Putin may be succeeded by a clone - it’s highly unlikely Trump will be, which changes the dynamics again.

The people dont have to be compliant it’s all about power Putins opposition have a habit of disappearing, China and North Korea the same, opposition is not permitted.

As for Trump, Ukraine is not important to the US, his priority is to stop the war, it’s now up to Europe to support Ukraine

The Russian economy is beginning to suffer from the protracted war. Remember Putin thought he cold take Kiev in days?
He didn't reckon on the resolve of the Ukrainians themselves, or on the united Europe that continues to support them.
I am sorry to say there will be no end to this war until either the Ukrainians surrender (not going to happen) or Putin finds a way out.

His way out will not be through Trump who is an idiot, or through any other so called 'peace' process. This invasion has cost Putin far more than he thought, but he isnt going to give way yet.

This war is no where near its end and could go on for decades...

ronib

Putin has a number of dummies so assassination might be difficult.

I read that there are six!
Even if Putin were gone a similar type would take over, just as Vance would if Trump were gone.Might be worse in fact🤔
Europe has to stand strong against Russia, it’s more than just for Ukraine’s sake.

Putin has a number of dummies so assassination might be difficult.

Assaination.

What also being forgotten is Putin’s obsession with getting back the states/land that composed the USSR. The next despot will almost have a different obsession.

Like Trump with his peace prize 😄😄

That’s not my point David49. A despot can only rule if the people in their own country are compliant. It is personality driven. Putin may be succeeded by a clone - it’s highly unlikely Trump will be, which changes the dynamics again.

foxie48

It's horrible watching Putin's vicious attacks on Ukraine but it demonstrates that any peace has to safeguard Ukraine for the future or Putin will rearm and return again to take more territory. Unfortunately Trump is absolutely key to this and he seems to be Putin's poodle. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but it's makes me wonder?

Re- conspiracy theories.

I guess they are theories until actual evidence is produced.

I hope that journalists etc are digging away.

The same is said of Netanyahu and Oct 7th. Israeli media has long been suspicious of the way this was dealt with, particularly as Netanyahu knew of the plans months before.