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Abnuyc123 Fri 05-Sept-25 13:51:48

I went to my friend’s house and I’ve been left concerned about the state of her house. I know she’s never been keen on housework but I think her late husband more than pulled his weight.

The milk in the fridge was off, the sink was dirty with old bits of food in the plug hole, the kitchen was unusable, the bathroom sink was dirty. WWYD? I don’t know whether I just have different standards and how’s she living is ok?

Caleo Mon 08-Sept-25 09:43:14

Whiff

A caring friend cares more about her friend than the state of her home. A caring friend would talk and hug that friend .A caring friend would ask how she was and is there anything she needs. A caring friend cares about the person not her surroundings. A caring friend looks at that person and sees her suffering not the state of her home . A caring person does not write on.GN about the state of her friends house keeping or lack of it . A caring person sees her grief not material things .

When the love of your life the other half of you dies life is like walking through porridge . Ever step is a struggle. You don't live you exist . Just having a wash and brushing your teeth is a struggle you wonder why you should bother as the one person you want and need you can never have or see again . You struggle to eat and drink but you know you have to because that's what they would want you to do . You have no idea where you fit in the world as your world has been destroyed and it will never be repaired.

Two years is what I call early grief infact the first 10 years are what I call early grief. Grief hurts physically and mentally. Plus all that comes when the other half of you dies. There is so much to do after death and the funeral . People expect you to get over your grief there is no getting our the grief infact in my experience it gets worse as the years go by.

After the love of your life the other half of yourself dies you find out who your real friends are as people disappear from your life . I hadn't been widowed long when I went to my local town to shop a woman who I knew saw me she stopped dead and dashed into the nearest shop I was 45 the 50 year old me would have gone in after her and asked what xxxxxxx her problem was .

If you really care ignore the state of her home and just concentrate on her .She is in pain and that pain will never go away . It's takes years to cope and the longer you are married the worse it is .

Those who have critised me have you had the other half of yourself die ?
Have you watched your husband dieing bit by bit everyday and there is nothing you do to can stop them dieing . Have you held your husband while he cried . Have you held your husband while he screamed into a pillow until the morphine sent him to sleep so our children wouldn't hear him . Have you had to hold that pillow when he begged you to do it because he was to weak to do it himself. Have you had to tell your husband to stop struggling breathing even on full oxygen. Have you had to tell him to stop fighting and we will be ok then watch your husband die a few minutes later. There is never an okay .

Critise me all you like if you have done all that . I am glad I had family and friends who cared about me and not the state of my home . Took me 14 years to stop seeing the last 2 weeks of my husband's life it was like watching a black and white film .

Care about your friend she is in pain and that pain never dies you just learn to cope . But bone crushing grief can overwhelm you out of the blue .

Your friend needs your understanding . Care about her feelings help her get through everyday . If she wants to talk about her husband listen if she doesn't want to talk just be with her as that will give her comfort.

Whiff, I hope you recover from your emotional agony . I am desperately sorry for your late husband. I feel I understand what it must have like for you. I am glad that you felt able to express your feelings at Gransnet.

GoodAfternoonTea Mon 08-Sept-25 07:34:53

Why don't you take your friend out for coffee and cake at regular intervals? Like that you can chat away from her home, give her a treat and perhaps get her to dress up a bit too. You can then see how she responds and if she really has let things go too while enjoying her company but keeping a watchful eye.

Whiff Mon 08-Sept-25 07:19:14

A caring friend cares more about her friend than the state of her home. A caring friend would talk and hug that friend .A caring friend would ask how she was and is there anything she needs. A caring friend cares about the person not her surroundings. A caring friend looks at that person and sees her suffering not the state of her home . A caring person does not write on.GN about the state of her friends house keeping or lack of it . A caring person sees her grief not material things .

When the love of your life the other half of you dies life is like walking through porridge . Ever step is a struggle. You don't live you exist . Just having a wash and brushing your teeth is a struggle you wonder why you should bother as the one person you want and need you can never have or see again . You struggle to eat and drink but you know you have to because that's what they would want you to do . You have no idea where you fit in the world as your world has been destroyed and it will never be repaired.

Two years is what I call early grief infact the first 10 years are what I call early grief. Grief hurts physically and mentally. Plus all that comes when the other half of you dies. There is so much to do after death and the funeral . People expect you to get over your grief there is no getting our the grief infact in my experience it gets worse as the years go by.

After the love of your life the other half of yourself dies you find out who your real friends are as people disappear from your life . I hadn't been widowed long when I went to my local town to shop a woman who I knew saw me she stopped dead and dashed into the nearest shop I was 45 the 50 year old me would have gone in after her and asked what xxxxxxx her problem was .

If you really care ignore the state of her home and just concentrate on her .She is in pain and that pain will never go away . It's takes years to cope and the longer you are married the worse it is .

Those who have critised me have you had the other half of yourself die ?
Have you watched your husband dieing bit by bit everyday and there is nothing you do to can stop them dieing . Have you held your husband while he cried . Have you held your husband while he screamed into a pillow until the morphine sent him to sleep so our children wouldn't hear him . Have you had to hold that pillow when he begged you to do it because he was to weak to do it himself. Have you had to tell your husband to stop struggling breathing even on full oxygen. Have you had to tell him to stop fighting and we will be ok then watch your husband die a few minutes later. There is never an okay .

Critise me all you like if you have done all that . I am glad I had family and friends who cared about me and not the state of my home . Took me 14 years to stop seeing the last 2 weeks of my husband's life it was like watching a black and white film .

Care about your friend she is in pain and that pain never dies you just learn to cope . But bone crushing grief can overwhelm you out of the blue .

Your friend needs your understanding . Care about her feelings help her get through everyday . If she wants to talk about her husband listen if she doesn't want to talk just be with her as that will give her comfort.

eddiecat78 Sun 07-Sept-25 14:16:30

I think OP is right to be concerned. After my mother died my father gave himself severe food poisoning and I'm sure it came from the dishcloth which was used for everything and was never cleaned

Scribbles Sun 07-Sept-25 12:31:29

Whiff
I have spider webs they keep the flies at bay.

smile
That's my excuse, too!

Caleo Sun 07-Sept-25 11:21:33

Esmay

We all have different standards :
I visited one of my elderly ladies yesterday ..When she opened the door I felt really sick as the stench was horrendous .
Her house is cleaned regularly - no dust and not a fleck on the carpets and not even one dish in the sink .
But despite having a wet room - she smells .
I can't recall when she didn't .
I used to go shopping with her and the smell would pervade the car .
I'd have a scented handkerchief ready .

Interesting. Is it a smell of foot fungus , septic ulcer, faeces, urine, gangrene?
Smell is an important diagnostic tool. The poor lady should be taken care of by a NHS health visitor . There is clearly a lack of care.

Esmay Sun 07-Sept-25 06:14:31

We all have different standards :
I visited one of my elderly ladies yesterday ..When she opened the door I felt really sick as the stench was horrendous .
Her house is cleaned regularly - no dust and not a fleck on the carpets and not even one dish in the sink .
But despite having a wet room - she smells .
I can't recall when she didn't .
I used to go shopping with her and the smell would pervade the car .
I'd have a scented handkerchief ready .

RosieandherMaw Sat 06-Sept-25 21:35:18

I said kitchen floor not bedroom carpet
Read the posts again.

Mt61 Sat 06-Sept-25 17:35:42

Whiff

When friends and family come they take me as they find me . If I have time and energy I will clean and vacuum. But my shower room and kitchen is clean daily if I can . No one has ever had food poisoning from my cooking . My home not a show house . No healthcare professional who has been to visit takes notice of the dust or bits on my carpet they are more concerned than my home is safe . Which it is as I had it adapted for my needs.

OP if someone just popped in would they find dust or bits on your carpet?

I was in hospital and my daughter emptied my dishwasher for me . Once home took me to 2 days to find where she put things.

I have spider webs they keep the flies at bay.
My home is mine . I would never criticise the state of anyone else's home . Their home is their happy place even if it's messy and not to your standard.

‘Oh’, I don’t know, some people are just overwhelmed, especially if depressed, or physically unable to clean.
I can’t do as much. Two full baskets of ironing to tackle, I just keep putting it off.
Eventually I know I will have to get a cleaner.

Mt61 Sat 06-Sept-25 17:30:28

Aldom

Whiff There's a difference between being judgemental and being concerned for the health and wellbeing of a friend.
Abnuye is a caring friend.

I think she absolutely is.

Mt61 Sat 06-Sept-25 17:28:46

Abnuyc123

Her husband died two years ago. From reading your responses, I’m feeling that I just need to leave her to it. I wouldn’t know what to do anyway.

It’s a hard one. Would she take offence if you wiped round the sink with bleach?

Allsorts Sat 06-Sept-25 15:55:58

RosieabdMaw, I would have cleaned up the same, feet sticking to a bedroom carpet is just filthy. I can’t understand anyone living in a dirty house unless they are incapable mentally or physically and I just wouldn’t be comfortable eating or drinking there.. my choice. People are entitled to their point of view. I had a friend who didn't like cleaning, her loo was filthy and her kitchen, she either came to my house or we met out..The friendship lasted fifty years until she died.

Aldom Sat 06-Sept-25 15:05:38

Whiff There's a difference between being judgemental and being concerned for the health and wellbeing of a friend.
Abnuye is a caring friend.

Abnuyc123 Sat 06-Sept-25 14:53:13

Good grief, I’m not criticising, I love my friend and I’m concerned for her.

Whiff Sat 06-Sept-25 14:36:30

When friends and family come they take me as they find me . If I have time and energy I will clean and vacuum. But my shower room and kitchen is clean daily if I can . No one has ever had food poisoning from my cooking . My home not a show house . No healthcare professional who has been to visit takes notice of the dust or bits on my carpet they are more concerned than my home is safe . Which it is as I had it adapted for my needs.

OP if someone just popped in would they find dust or bits on your carpet?

I was in hospital and my daughter emptied my dishwasher for me . Once home took me to 2 days to find where she put things.

I have spider webs they keep the flies at bay.
My home is mine . I would never criticise the state of anyone else's home . Their home is their happy place even if it's messy and not to your standard.

ExDancer Sat 06-Sept-25 12:33:40

Good thinking grandmabatty having your cataracts removed makes a huge difference.

OldFrill Sat 06-Sept-25 12:05:18

"the kitchen was unusable"

Grandmabatty Sat 06-Sept-25 12:03:13

Might she have cataracts? I've had both eyes operated on this year and I hadn't realised how bad my kitchen looked as I genuinely hadn't seen stains. The kickboard was disgusting! My cupboard doors were badly marked etc.

Lathyrus3 Sat 06-Sept-25 12:03:03

Just because the milk in the fridge was off doesn’t mean she was going to drink it.

If I’m honest there might easily be out of date things in my fridge and a few growing mould, like cheese or veg. It just means I haven’t got round to cleaning out the fridge.

Likewise the bathroom or kitchen sink. I’m quite capable of noting it needs a clean and filing that under next time, if I’ve got something more interesting to do.

There’s only me and I don’t mind for a bit and then I have a massive tidy and clean.

M husband was very good at ongoing maintenance, cleaning, tidying as he went along. It was his nature. I can’t get motivated until there’s a bit of a mess that needs sorting.

So it’s hard to tell really whether the OP just has a different take on things or there really is a serious problem that might affect her friend.

Even with my slapdash ways I judged my PIL to be living in dirt and chaos and they both lived happily and fiercely independently well into their nineties!

Caleo Sat 06-Sept-25 11:52:27

Abnuyc123

Kate1949

Why were you looking at her plug hole?

She asked me to put the kettle on, so I saw it then. I wasn’t snooping.

Of course you were not snooping! All efficient housekeepers inspect details in kitchens without even being conscious they are doing so.

However I think your friend's standards are not yet dangerous to her health, from what you say.
Is she getting all the help she is due from carers? You may be able to help her with this, and carers should be able to keep the house safe at the very least.

ExDancer Sat 06-Sept-25 11:32:39

AgeUK can help with getting someone to do a 'one off' deep clean when the housework has got out of control and you just can't face it any more, you can see how that's happened. (you have to pay for it of course)
I have no idea how you persuade her to request it.
Would her family pay for it and tell her its free on the NHS so many months after a death of a partner ...... ? Maybe? Perhaps?
Sorry, not much help

Anniebach Sat 06-Sept-25 11:24:06

👏👏👏 RosieandherMaw

OldFrill Sat 06-Sept-25 11:23:54

Abnuyc123 - the kitchen being "unusable" raised a red flag for me. Is she caring for herself, healthy diet etc, has she lost weight, is she muddled, disorientated, not sleeping. Yes any healthy person can suffer like this but it can also be an indication of mental health problems, possibly dementia. My mother's route to dementia kicked off after my father's death, one of the first indicators was the state of her house (though far more severe than you have described). It was her friends who alerted the family - she was quite rational on the phone. If you are concerned about her health deteriorating then you might contact her family, they are often the last to realise. Thank you for being a good friend.

Delila Sat 06-Sept-25 11:21:10

Sorry OP, I was typing so hadn’t see your last comment - I think that’s a good plan 👍🏼

Delila Sat 06-Sept-25 11:15:16

Abnuyc123, if you have noticed a change in your friend’s normal housekeeping standards I think you’re right to feel concerned. I’d keep an eye on things, and take in any possible decline in her general well-being. It would be awful to ignore what may be signs of her need for help, only to find too late that your intervention could have made a positive difference.