EllanVannin and Anniebach

Allira

TheatreLover

Doodledog

Allira

petra

FGT
I spoke to MissAdventure a couple of weeks ago. She can still crack a joke despite being unwell.

Say hello to MissAdventure from me too 👋
We miss her.

And me. It would be lovely to hear from her again, but if she's not up to it yet, do let her know we are asking after her and wish her well.

MissA wasn't banned, in case anyone is unaware. I do think it's important to make that distinction, as even though I am not always in favour of permanent bans they are made for a reason and should never be about popularity or how much advice posters can benefit from.

One person somehow managed to get a well-deserved ban overturned and came back with what felt like protected status. She is now banned again, but not before causing numerous lovely posters to leave GN and making mischief and grief for many others. It's not always straightforward. I'd be surprised if people posting when the 'unbanned' one was around won't have realised what she was up to, but sometimes if someone leaves you alone you only see one side of them. If you are on the receiving end of the reason they were banned you might feel differently.

Speaking generally, if someone has been banned because of nasty behaviour to individuals, it is unreasonable of the unaffected (who may be entirely unaware of that) to campaign for their return.

It might also be useful to know why someone was banned, although I know that is difficult to do that when the banned person has no right of reply. We know that reports can play a role, but we don't know who has reported individuals. I am aware that at least one poster thinks that I reported them, leading to a suspension, but I most definitely did not - I prefer to argue my case on the boards. We also know that lurkers sometimes report. I was astounded a while ago when someone made her first post to say that she didn't contribute to the board, but did report contributors who overstepped what she saw as the mark. Unbelievable, but true.

This is a really thoughtful post Doodledog. I thought that GSM was banned because she was posting potentially libellous comments about a female politician? These posts included attacking the politician's morals because she had children when not married, and included various abusive descriptions of the politician, including calling her a tart? I didn't contribute to the thread, and have never reported anyone, but GSM quite understandably upset quite a lot of posters with her insulting language about the politician, so it is quite possible that posters drew the moderators' attention to these particular posts.

In any case, I think that these comments were picked up by the National press, and reflected poorly on GN. If that is correct, then, in the interests of GN, the ban is understandable.

The posts could have been deleted and probably were.

I remember similar posts about a male politician's appearance, his hair and his morals but posters weren't banned because of that.
Those posts could have been reported in the national press too.

Are there double standards here?

I wasn't talking about GSM. The banned and unbanned poster was Very Silly, but I don't think the 'rules' encourage us to discuss people who aren't here? After that reference I was, as I said, speaking generally.

Dickens

Allira

It’s when Gransnet gets into personal insult territory, that people are banned, generally speaking
I can't remember GSM making personal attacks on posters.

As for personal insults I was called an extreme right-winger, peddling my vile views across social media! (Sorry, Sir Keir, does voting for you make me an extreme right-winger? 😂😂😂). Or a rampant leftie?
I did report that post and it got deleted.

It was upsetting then saw the ludicrous, funny side of it. 😂

As for personal insults I was called an extreme right-winger, peddling my vile views across social media! (Sorry, Sir Keir, does voting for you make me an extreme right-winger?

It's not unusual to be accused of being both a hard Leftie and Right wing nut. I have been - here on GN in the past. It happened again, fairly recently, but on Facebook... and in the same thread.

Like you, I saw how ridiculous it was, and simply removed myself from the thread but not before carefully re-reading what I'd posted in order to see how my comments could be interpreted - but it was more enlightening to read the posting history of my opponents (two of 'em). It became obvious that they were in what I can only describe as 'rage mode' which disabled their ability to detect nuance.

You do know that Keir Starmer has been variously described as both a woke-Leftie and a Tory-in-disguise?

You do know that Keir Starmer has been variously described as both a woke-Leftie and a Tory-in-disguise?
Yes!

I got shredded once when I said I was a floating voter.
Anyway, the view is much better from the fence 😁

I don't know if it just me but I don't respond to anything with which I don't agree! And believe me, I have an internal hissy fit about some of the things posted!! But, as previous GNers have said, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Should these always be shared on a public forum? These days, I am not so sure.

Allira

Casdon

I don’t think it’s double standards Allira, I think the mods have a line beyond which people get banned if they transgress the rules, and it’s usually because they have done it more than once, had their posts deleted etc. If there were double standards, only posters from one persuasion would be banned, and that definitely isn’t the case?

How come Mumsnetters get away with far worse than we genteel elderly people on Gransnet?

Same moderators now, I think

Do you think Mumsnetters do get away with more? I don’t know, as I’m not on there enough, my impression is that it’s a lot more transitory, so I’d guess they don’t know each others posting styles, but I could be wrong.

Allira

^It’s when Gransnet gets into personal insult territory, that people are banned, generally speaking^
I can't remember GSM making personal attacks on posters.

As for personal insults I was called an extreme right-winger, peddling my vile views across social media! (Sorry, Sir Keir, does voting for you make me an extreme right-winger? 😂😂😂). Or a rampant leftie?
I did report that post and it got deleted.

It was upsetting then saw the ludicrous, funny side of it. 😂

As for personal insults I was called an extreme right-winger, peddling my vile views across social media! (Sorry, Sir Keir, does voting for you make me an extreme right-winger?

It's not unusual to be accused of being both a hard Leftie and Right wing nut. I have been - here on GN in the past. It happened again, fairly recently, but on Facebook... and in the same thread.

Like you, I saw how ridiculous it was, and simply removed myself from the thread but not before carefully re-reading what I'd posted in order to see how my comments could be interpreted - but it was more enlightening to read the posting history of my opponents (two of 'em). It became obvious that they were in what I can only describe as 'rage mode' which disabled their ability to detect nuance.

You do know that Keir Starmer has been variously described as both a woke-Leftie and a Tory-in-disguise?

crazyH

*FGT*- please pass our good wishes on to GSM - I really miss her knowledge and sound advice.

And mine too please xx

Maremia

The weird thing is that Bamber is back in the news, with some new 'evidence'.
I also thought they had the right one.
But now, it's wait and see.

To be fair, no one, except Bamber, knows the truth! The rest are sadly dead.

Oreo

Def double standards by the sounds of it Allira
Tho I only know two of the names of posters mentioned on here I think it’s unpleasant to say anything about them as they’re unable to reply and may well be reading this.
If it’s something nice about them then that’s a different matter.
IMO

Well said, Oreo.

Some of the posters mentioned have died, too and it's not fair to criticise them when they have no right of reply.

Casdon

I don’t think it’s double standards Allira, I think the mods have a line beyond which people get banned if they transgress the rules, and it’s usually because they have done it more than once, had their posts deleted etc. If there were double standards, only posters from one persuasion would be banned, and that definitely isn’t the case?

How come Mumsnetters get away with far worse than we genteel elderly people on Gransnet?

Same moderators now, I think

I don’t think it’s double standards Allira, I think the mods have a line beyond which people get banned if they transgress the rules, and it’s usually because they have done it more than once, had their posts deleted etc. If there were double standards, only posters from one persuasion would be banned, and that definitely isn’t the case?

Def double standards by the sounds of it Allira
Tho I only know two of the names of posters mentioned on here I think it’s unpleasant to say anything about them as they’re unable to reply and may well be reading this.
If it’s something nice about them then that’s a different matter.
IMO

Allira

TheatreLover

Doodledog

Allira

petra

FGT
I spoke to MissAdventure a couple of weeks ago. She can still crack a joke despite being unwell.

Say hello to MissAdventure from me too 👋
We miss her.

And me. It would be lovely to hear from her again, but if she's not up to it yet, do let her know we are asking after her and wish her well.

MissA wasn't banned, in case anyone is unaware. I do think it's important to make that distinction, as even though I am not always in favour of permanent bans they are made for a reason and should never be about popularity or how much advice posters can benefit from.

One person somehow managed to get a well-deserved ban overturned and came back with what felt like protected status. She is now banned again, but not before causing numerous lovely posters to leave GN and making mischief and grief for many others. It's not always straightforward. I'd be surprised if people posting when the 'unbanned' one was around won't have realised what she was up to, but sometimes if someone leaves you alone you only see one side of them. If you are on the receiving end of the reason they were banned you might feel differently.

Speaking generally, if someone has been banned because of nasty behaviour to individuals, it is unreasonable of the unaffected (who may be entirely unaware of that) to campaign for their return.

It might also be useful to know why someone was banned, although I know that is difficult to do that when the banned person has no right of reply. We know that reports can play a role, but we don't know who has reported individuals. I am aware that at least one poster thinks that I reported them, leading to a suspension, but I most definitely did not - I prefer to argue my case on the boards. We also know that lurkers sometimes report. I was astounded a while ago when someone made her first post to say that she didn't contribute to the board, but did report contributors who overstepped what she saw as the mark. Unbelievable, but true.

This is a really thoughtful post Doodledog. I thought that GSM was banned because she was posting potentially libellous comments about a female politician? These posts included attacking the politician's morals because she had children when not married, and included various abusive descriptions of the politician, including calling her a tart? I didn't contribute to the thread, and have never reported anyone, but GSM quite understandably upset quite a lot of posters with her insulting language about the politician, so it is quite possible that posters drew the moderators' attention to these particular posts.

In any case, I think that these comments were picked up by the National press, and reflected poorly on GN. If that is correct, then, in the interests of GN, the ban is understandable.

The posts could have been deleted and probably were.

I remember similar posts about a male politician's appearance, his hair and his morals but posters weren't banned because of that.
Those posts could have been reported in the national press too.

Are there double standards here?

I will add to that the comments made when that politician ended up in ICU with Covid - inferring that he and the wonderful St Thomas's Hospital, were lying.

I am not defending that politician's record, but just pointing out the double standards which seem to apply here.
Is it because of the Party each belong to or the fact that one is a woman, the other a man?

TheatreLover

Doodledog

Allira

petra

FGT
I spoke to MissAdventure a couple of weeks ago. She can still crack a joke despite being unwell.

Say hello to MissAdventure from me too 👋
We miss her.

And me. It would be lovely to hear from her again, but if she's not up to it yet, do let her know we are asking after her and wish her well.

MissA wasn't banned, in case anyone is unaware. I do think it's important to make that distinction, as even though I am not always in favour of permanent bans they are made for a reason and should never be about popularity or how much advice posters can benefit from.

One person somehow managed to get a well-deserved ban overturned and came back with what felt like protected status. She is now banned again, but not before causing numerous lovely posters to leave GN and making mischief and grief for many others. It's not always straightforward. I'd be surprised if people posting when the 'unbanned' one was around won't have realised what she was up to, but sometimes if someone leaves you alone you only see one side of them. If you are on the receiving end of the reason they were banned you might feel differently.

Speaking generally, if someone has been banned because of nasty behaviour to individuals, it is unreasonable of the unaffected (who may be entirely unaware of that) to campaign for their return.

It might also be useful to know why someone was banned, although I know that is difficult to do that when the banned person has no right of reply. We know that reports can play a role, but we don't know who has reported individuals. I am aware that at least one poster thinks that I reported them, leading to a suspension, but I most definitely did not - I prefer to argue my case on the boards. We also know that lurkers sometimes report. I was astounded a while ago when someone made her first post to say that she didn't contribute to the board, but did report contributors who overstepped what she saw as the mark. Unbelievable, but true.

This is a really thoughtful post Doodledog. I thought that GSM was banned because she was posting potentially libellous comments about a female politician? These posts included attacking the politician's morals because she had children when not married, and included various abusive descriptions of the politician, including calling her a tart? I didn't contribute to the thread, and have never reported anyone, but GSM quite understandably upset quite a lot of posters with her insulting language about the politician, so it is quite possible that posters drew the moderators' attention to these particular posts.

In any case, I think that these comments were picked up by the National press, and reflected poorly on GN. If that is correct, then, in the interests of GN, the ban is understandable.

The posts could have been deleted and probably were.

I remember similar posts about a male politician's appearance, his hair and his morals but posters weren't banned because of that.
Those posts could have been reported in the national press too.

Are there double standards here?

It’s when Gransnet gets into personal insult territory, that people are banned, generally speaking
I can't remember GSM making personal attacks on posters.

As for personal insults I was called an extreme right-winger, peddling my vile views across social media! (Sorry, Sir Keir, does voting for you make me an extreme right-winger? 😂😂😂). Or a rampant leftie?
I did report that post and it got deleted.

It was upsetting then saw the ludicrous, funny side of it. 😂

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

Doodledog

We also know that lurkers sometimes report. I was astounded a while ago when someone made her first post to say that she didn't contribute to the board, but did report contributors who overstepped what she saw as the mark. Unbelievable, but true.

Oh heck - really?! 'Sleeping policemen' - lurking cyber speed-bumps then?

What a strange pass time...

Boz

GSM and FGT were often the victims of pile-ons and near-bullying on GN. by the rampart lefties.
You rarely see it the other way round, or am I missing something.

Yes, I believe you are missing something Boz. The people who have been banned aren’t from one ‘side’ of the political spectrum, what they have in common is that they are outspoken. It’s when Gransnet gets into personal insult territory, that people are banned, generally speaking. Calling people rampant lefties, or communists, far right, or fascists, or whatever, is really very unhelpful in maintaining harmony. I wish everybody would be upfront and say so when they are reporting somebody else.

Volver is the person mentioned above I think, I miss her, but I think she was banned, as was growstuff.

Boz

GSM and FGT were often the victims of pile-ons and near-bullying on GN. by the rampart lefties.
You rarely see it the other way round, or am I missing something.

You rarely see it the other way round, or am I missing something.

Strangely enough, GSM seems to be both missed and defended by some of those one could fairly place Left of the political spectrum - including me.

So, could be you are missing something!

I was in touch with her off-grid before my late OH became seriously ill.

Allira

petra

FGT
I spoke to MissAdventure a couple of weeks ago. She can still crack a joke despite being unwell.

Say hello to MissAdventure from me too 👋
We miss her.

And me. It would be lovely to hear from her again, but if she's not up to it yet, do let her know we are asking after her and wish her well.

MissA wasn't banned, in case anyone is unaware. I do think it's important to make that distinction, as even though I am not always in favour of permanent bans they are made for a reason and should never be about popularity or how much advice posters can benefit from.

One person somehow managed to get a well-deserved ban overturned and came back with what felt like protected status. She is now banned again, but not before causing numerous lovely posters to leave GN and making mischief and grief for many others. It's not always straightforward. I'd be surprised if people posting when the 'unbanned' one was around won't have realised what she was up to, but sometimes if someone leaves you alone you only see one side of them. If you are on the receiving end of the reason they were banned you might feel differently.

Speaking generally, if someone has been banned because of nasty behaviour to individuals, it is unreasonable of the unaffected (who may be entirely unaware of that) to campaign for their return.

It might also be useful to know why someone was banned, although I know that is difficult to do that when the banned person has no right of reply. We know that reports can play a role, but we don't know who has reported individuals. I am aware that at least one poster thinks that I reported them, leading to a suspension, but I most definitely did not - I prefer to argue my case on the boards. We also know that lurkers sometimes report. I was astounded a while ago when someone made her first post to say that she didn't contribute to the board, but did report contributors who overstepped what she saw as the mark. Unbelievable, but true.

GSM and FGT were often the victims of pile-ons and near-bullying on GN. by the rampart lefties.
You rarely see it the other way round, or am I missing something.

JenniferEccles

Then there is the Scottish poster who had two or three name changes, who, as far as I know, hasn’t posted for quite a while now.
She was another one with very strong views, but there again, there’s nothing wrong with that.
I believe she had a background in the sciences.

Yes, I think I know who you mean. Personally, I enjoyed her posts, but many people didn't. I think she stopped posting as she was taking on time-consuming projects so no longer had time to contribute to GN?

FGT- please pass our good wishes on to GSM - I really miss her knowledge and sound advice.

Then there is the Scottish poster who had two or three name changes, who, as far as I know, hasn’t posted for quite a while now.
She was another one with very strong views, but there again, there’s nothing wrong with that.
I believe she had a background in the sciences.

petra

FGT
I spoke to MissAdventure a couple of weeks ago. She can still crack a joke despite being unwell.

Say hello to MissAdventure from me too 👋
We miss her.

Dickens

Iam64

GSM was a real asset to gransnet. Intelligent, strong views, very kind and always willing to share good legal advice. IMO there was a concerted effort to get her banned - why? Surely we ought to be able to disagree strongly at times without being deliberately nasty under the invisibility cloak

I second that re GSM.

Well said, Iam64

Some posters disliked her views (I didn't agree with them all) but she never made personal attacks.

There most definitely was a sudden influx of "new" posters who appeared (or posters using several names?) who conspired to get her banned. It was all very odd.