Petition to stop the EARLY RELEASE for PC Harpers killers

No it wouldn’t be karma. If you break the law and are punished for it, it’s a result of the CJS and not because of the tooth fairy/ Father Christmas or whoever

If Burnham is working every minute, which I very much doubt, he is doing it in isolation, which is wrong. This is a serious issue and needs far more than one untried PM's input. Isolating himself from his colleagues is not a good move.
Starmer worked with Corbyn, undermined him and ultimately expelled him. Two years later, Starmer is ousted from his premiership by close colleagues, apparently organised by Morgan McSweeney according to a new book which I have not yet seen so cannot verify. Those who piloted Burnham into position will wish to retain control.
We shall see.

eazybee

If Burnham is working every minute, which I very much doubt, he is doing it in isolation, which is wrong. This is a serious issue and needs far more than one untried PM's input. Isolating himself from his colleagues is not a good move.
Starmer worked with Corbyn, undermined him and ultimately expelled him. Two years later, Starmer is ousted from his premiership by close colleagues, apparently organised by Morgan McSweeney according to a new book which I have not yet seen so cannot verify. Those who piloted Burnham into position will wish to retain control.
We shall see.

Of course he’s not working every minute but he is PM every minute and of course he’s not working in isolation. Why do you think it’s ok to make such stuff up? He’ll have the most sophisticated state of the art communication stuff with him and there’ll be transport arrangements plans in place that would whisk him home swiftly in certain circumstances. Where do you think he actually is? In a cave in Outer Mongolia with no WiFi and a 50 mile trek to the nearest bike hire place followed by a tour de Mongolia challenge before reaching the helipad? Honestly. Why do you want him to fail?

Err...what would be the point of a holiday if he's working full-time? Admirable blind faith.

Plevey08

Err...what would be the point of a holiday if he's working full-time? Admirable blind faith.

Really? Is that a serious question?

It appears to be to you Tuliptree 😊

Plevey08

It appears to be to you Tuliptree 😊

Well actually I think this is a serious thread but there you go

It started as a serious thread and I believe it still is. However you do come across as morally superior and that your opinions are the only correct ones. You appear Tuliptree to believe that you are upholding a higher moral code to others. It would be gracious if you could allow others opinions/beliefs to be heard ,without jumping on them immediately and dismissing them because you don't agree with them.

Why would anybody think that when the PM is officially on his holiday that he would be working every minute? I sincerely hope he isn’t, like everybody else he deserves a holiday, with only very major crises interrupting his free time.

Plevey08

It started as a serious thread and I believe it still is. However you do come across as morally superior and that your opinions are the only correct ones. You appear Tuliptree to believe that you are upholding a higher moral code to others. It would be gracious if you could allow others opinions/beliefs to be heard ,without jumping on them immediately and dismissing them because you don't agree with them.

You’re a bit cross and being quite morally superior yourself methinks. It’s true I believe due process and the rule of law is the bedrock of a decent society. Any yes I think that opinion is the correct one. I can’t think of a decent society which contradicts that view. I’ll continue to challenge views I disagree with and especially those based on misinformation. Anyone else can do the same. Or are you trying to establish new guidelines?

There seems to be a set of arbitrary rules deciding who gets early release. Are the numbers so great that early release cannot be decided in each individual case?

This is an excellent explanation from the Institute of Government an independent non partisan think tank . 5000 are due to be released in the 10 months from October

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/prison-early-release-scheme

I wonder what bright spark sat down and thought “our prisons are full and we need more space. I know, let’s release really dangerous prisoners.”💡💡💡💡

Primrose53

I wonder what bright spark sat down and thought “our prisons are full and we need more space. I know, let’s release really dangerous prisoners.”💡💡💡💡

No bright spark. That isn’t what is happening . But you know that.

As we move into another day there are 820,000 signatures now...

What AB said was just words. Afraid it sums him up. Its disgraceful that our government feel such little regard for all those policemen who daily work so hard keeping us safe. Shame on them. My heart goes out to PC Harman’s family. They will never be the same again and a lovely young brave man lost his future. I hope his family know the country are behind them

Where is the evidence that our government feel such little regard for our police force Allsorts? Abiding my by the legislation doesn’t mean no regard, it means regard for the legislation within which the govt must opersate.

Tuliptree is absolutely right to point to the disregard, lack of necessary investment in our CJS by the previous government in over 14 years . The research facts are undeniable. Productive Early Years involvement leads to fewer teen pregnancies, supports struggling parents, reduces teen pregnancies and anti social behaviour. Alternatives to prison, a less punitive prison environment equals less reoffending as well as prisons safer for inmates and staff

Instead we had years of unnecessary austerity that contributed to greater social problems especially drug related offences. When will our tv , msm, print media start honest reflection on research based practice, rehab v retaliation

It looks to me as if this is being rushed through, without the time and required due diligence to differentiate between manslaughter convictions.

Some cases are legally considered more blameworthy than others so if I've understood this correctly, why are all those convicted of manslaughter eligible for early release?

Smileless2012

It looks to me as if this is being rushed through, without the time and required due diligence to differentiate between manslaughter convictions.

Some cases are legally considered more blameworthy than others so if I've understood this correctly, why are all those convicted of manslaughter eligible for early release?

For goodness sake, it’s not being rushed through. Teams of people have been working on it since they were elected in 2024. It’s really really complex because we live in a country that has a little inconvenience called the tune of law and due process. Whatever happens it shouldn’t just be on a wave of emotion - we’re better than that. I’m
sick of people who think there’s an easy solution to this if only the government cared. Where were these people during the 14 years of criminal neglect of the CJS?

No 10 told it can’t be done.

I think the only possible way would be to categorise the whole of that group as “not for early release”?

I’m not sure how many people that would mean being retained in prison.

The idea of early release is to free up space I thought.

This whole debacle is as a result of the Tories complete incompetence. When Labour took over there were only 100 spaces left.

Actually thinking about this issue, it would be wrong for Burnham to interfere. In the U.K. politics and the judiciary is separate to ensure too much power is not taken by the government.

So imo Burnham can’t make this decision.

You can't keep blaming the Torys Labours been in charge for 2 years they don't have to release these killers it's their choice.

Sunshinegirls

You can't keep blaming the Torys Labours been in charge for 2 years they don't have to release these killers it's their choice.

But it’s an incredibly complex decision to make. It has to be lawful and fair to everyone - you know the statue of justice on top of the Old Bailey. Instead of constantly criticising the government over this, we should be grateful it’s not jumping into an easy populist solution but that they want to make a lawful decision. The problem is that unless you really understand what society is like when the rule of law is discarded then you’re talking out of your hat. )Generic you btw - the French would say ‘on’ and the Germans ‘man’)

Sunshinegirls

You can't keep blaming the Torys Labours been in charge for 2 years they don't have to release these killers it's their choice.

Well, actually it isn’t the governments choice, as far as I understand. The judiciary are the overseers of such decisions, not the government

As I said - separation of state.

But I guess there is always a chance that the judiciary will look at the issue and come to some sort of accommodation?