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Cherrytree59 Mon 25-Mar-19 00:14:35

I an a bit worried about putting this in the Bereavement section as at this moment in time we are not bereaved.
So apologies to anyone who is at present suffering a bereavement.

My MIL is now sadly receiving palliative care, after what the hospital calls a large seizure.
We have been told that the end is near, but could be days or a couple of weeks.

Tomorrow we are going to our local funeral director to purchase a prepaid funeral in order to carry out the express wishes of my MIL.
Which is in her words is -No fuss, basic coffin and No flowers'.
'Cremation'
My MIL was a salt of the earth, hard-working woman.
She lived through hard times and every penny counted.
She did not believe in squandering money,
However she was extremely generous to her son and grandchildren.
As the saying goes 'she would give you the shirt off her back'.

This is unknown territory for me as my Mother's funeral was long time ago and my father had made arrangements.

So tonight I have been quietly googling and was surprised to read about the different quality coffins available including brass silver or gold handles etc.

My question is why?
It's either going on the ground as with my parents or as with my MIL it will be cremated (not sure what happens the coffin metal adornments presumably they just melt)

I was a bit concerned with how basic my husband mother's wishes were, but I am now of the same mind and in the near future DH and I will discuss our own arrangements.
What do GNers think?
(I completely understand that it is up to the individual to spend their money how they see fit)

As have I am sure many GNers, I have attended several funerals, but never once have I looked coffin and thought about the choice of wood or handles and considered whether it was basic model or no expense spared.
They are often covered in flowers anyway.

(DH and I will organise catering at a local venue for family and friends.)

It would seem that tomorrow is now today smile

Venetia Sat 30-Mar-19 09:28:11

Hello, everyone, Newbie here!
When my father died, my family wanted to really push the boat out for his funeral. Mum was happy to go along with it, but when she read the invoice afterwards, was shocked by how much everything cost, especially the coffin. She had a lot of questions about the cremation, so I looked into it for her. I discovered if you read the bumph, the handles are usually described as "brass effect" and are, in fact, plastic. She also wondered what actually happened during and after the actual cremation, which I managed to find out, to her great satisfaction. ( Shan't talk about it here, but will happily answer any questions I can). She thought spending so much on a coffin which was going to be burnt was a waste of money, so we made sure she had the cheapest one in the catalogue when it was" her turn to go". She did say she would have liked a wicker coffin, but not when she found out the price of them. I'm glad to see most major funeral directors now offer what is called a simple funeral, with no fancy trimmings. Mum would have approved and so do I.

Annana Fri 29-Mar-19 07:10:03

I couldn't agree more with those who do not wish to have a costly funeral. In fact, I even hate the thought of a MORBID ceremony of a funeral for myself - although I do respect and understand that it is an expression of pain and sadness for other people. I have told my family that I do not want to be remembered in a solemn way because, thank God, I have enjoyed my life and want the tone of my own funeral to express this. I'd rather not have the black limousine and wild flowers would be OK . To end off, a fabulous party with a noisy toast to my memory, or to me up in the clouds, would be just fine. Oh, and I don't mind where I am buried or my ashes are thrown - as long as it's not in water!

notanan2 Thu 28-Mar-19 20:16:21

flowers

muffinthemoo Thu 28-Mar-19 17:33:55

cherrytree flowers

Itsmyfirstrodeo Thu 28-Mar-19 15:05:08

*Cherrytree59 a beautiful post that honours the passing of your MIL.
My thoughts are with you and your family at this time ?

Grannyguitar Thu 28-Mar-19 13:17:30

My mother in law filled in the forms to leave her body to science some 20 years before her death. Unfortunately, she ticked a wrong box somewhere, and the next day, two men turned up in a black van asking to collect the body. She told them to b****r off as she was still using it!

Cherrytree59 Thu 28-Mar-19 12:09:51

Thank you all for your thought provoking posts.
I have read some of them out my DH.

My mother in law passed away peacfully last night.
We are blessed, we watched a lovely peaceful lady lying in hospital bed pain free.
After suffering years of agitation caused vascular dementia.
The hospital had nursed my Mil for 3 weeks.
They have been truly wonderful.
She was in her own room in NHS hospital with lilac curtains (her favourite colour) gently blowing in the breeze.
The spring sunshine streamed through the window.

I will rejoin the thread later if I may. After we have done what is necessary.

Esspee
I would like to PM you over the coming days if I may.

Harris27 My sincere condolences. thanks

NotSpaghetti Wed 27-Mar-19 23:07:50

There are some interesting discussions about coffins on this thread from a couple of months ago.
Might be worth a look?
www.gransnet.com/forums/chat/1257897-Cremation-or-burial

notanan2 Tue 26-Mar-19 12:55:39

A coffin is only "needed" for the crematorium is you want to do the whole bit of the service where the coffin is in the service for a bit then goes behind the curtain.

The deceased can be viewed when they die at home/hospice/hospital. Hospital mortuaries have chapels of rest where deceased can be viewed in the day or two after death too. If people feel viewings help the bereaved. No coffin required for this either. You ONLY need a basic viewing coffin if you are having a funeral director style wake or a catholic style post embalming home wake.

notanan2 Tue 26-Mar-19 12:49:39

A coffin or burrial shroud is only a requirement I believe for burrials.

They are still widely miss sold as "basics" for cremation.

You can go directly for a cremation in your mortuary bodybag.

notanan2 Tue 26-Mar-19 12:47:04

Is she aware that you dont need a coffin / funeral director at all?

My FIL was miss sold a "basic" pre paid funeral by a funeral director. He wanted the least frills cremation available and the sold him a coffin and "basic funeral"

When he later found out that DH and I are planninv to have direct disposal (straight from mortuary to cremetorium, no funeral home, no coffin) he was shocked! Thats what he wanted! But was led to believe that a "basic funeral" was a minimum requirement. It is not. (He is too polite to complain and get his funeral plan money back now bless him)

vintanner Tue 26-Mar-19 12:08:39

My thinking is on the same lines as your MIL.

As basic as possible just to meet the requirements of the law.

The close family only, no extended family or friends.

Itsmyfirstrodeo Tue 26-Mar-19 10:55:18

So sorry you and your family are having to go through this Cherrytree59
I have alot of experience, unfortunately, of close family funerals, my sisters only last year.
So much money is spent, and I agree, it's all very unnecessary. I do get upset when families overrule the wishes of the departed, it makes me hope that my family will follow my instructions.
I want the least amount spent possible on myself, and I thank all the gransnetters for all the info that I didn't know, and will be googling promptly

Esspee Tue 26-Mar-19 10:52:04

I conducted my husband's funeral myself (non religious), had music played which was meaningful to us, then accompanied the coffin to the cremator where I watched the flames as the stainless steel door slowly closed. His ashes were scattered in the Caribbean Sea a year later.
After the service my sister-in-law asked if I could "do her's" when the time came.
I've never spoken to anyone who accompanied the body as I did. No idea why I asked to do it, it just seemed right.

moggie57 Tue 26-Mar-19 10:41:59

do as your relative asks .palm/grass coffin or even biogradable cardboard .. £1 shop flowers are good ,they wont die off. and donate money to a good cause if any. good way to go...ask her her fav hymn though........good luck

Esspee Tue 26-Mar-19 10:34:57

When you are bereaved and have to attend to "order" the funeral, coffin etc. it can be overwhelming. I have a friend who felt pressurised into ordering a coffin which she really couldn't afford. It is much kinder to organise everything yourself then your family knows you got exactly what you wanted.
My choice is for no funeral, straight cremation, ashes to be scattered in a beautiful garden and a party afterwards.

sparkly1000 Tue 26-Mar-19 10:03:36

My FIL aged 81 died last month. He opted for the cheapest no frills do possible. The funeral directors offered to do a complete package for 3,500k paid up front.
My DH conducted the whole funeral of 25 minutes.
We walked in to 'Simply the best' by Tina Turner which raised a few eyebrows as towards the end of his life he was not the easiest person to get on with.
He did agree to a cheap coffin and hearse but said as we all had our own cars we could make our own way to the country chapel.
The reception was held at his bungalow c/o Mr Tesco party nibbles.
Everyone agreed it was the most touching and individualsised ceremony they had ever been to.

MawBroon Tue 26-Mar-19 10:02:42

I have to (respectfully) take issue with your posts of yesterday Jura.
Not all undertakers are anything like what you say is your experience and not all funerals the ecological disaster you quote. I can’t comment on cremations but that was my parents’ wish 20+ years ago and I respected that
However Paw had expressed a wish during one of his later periods in hospital, when things looked indeed bleak, to be buried in our local Green burial ground. At the time though it was full and no further reservations could be made so I told him he had jolly well get better and make it home again.
Sadly, 6 months later there was no longer that option as he was readmitted as an emergency. When he died I was at a loss as he had, as a devout Catholic, explicitly stipulated he wanted to be buried and I hate municipal cemeteries. Fortunately we live in a beautiful village with a 12th century church and a lovely churchyard overlooking the fields around the village.
Our local undertakers could not have been more helpful. There was absolutely no pressure regarding any of the arrangements. (The woman we spent most of the time talking to lives just across the village green from me and it all felt very neighbourly)
The simplest possible oak coffin (no knobs or twiddles, just a carved cross on the lid) - I rejected the wicker option as they reminded me too much of picnic hampers - a natural linen lining and a country churchyard burial. My SIL who sculpts in wood has made an elegant but simple cedar wood “grave marker”(from an offcut) until the Cumbrian slate stone I have chosen is completed and crocuses, daffodils and pansies now grow on my husband’s grave. Departed friends and neighbours lie within yards of him.
I walk up there with Hattie every day and can talk to him in my heart. It is as natural as we could have chosen and he is still at home here in our village.
There are worse places to spend eternity.

Kim19 Tue 26-Mar-19 09:37:29

D1901, thanks for your contribution. First time I've heard such specific generosity. Mind you, don't think the local hospital should have divulged something so private. I daresay it happens regularly. Lovely thought in the midst of my reservations. Always good to soften ones entrenched opinions.

BradfordLass72 Tue 26-Mar-19 09:29:58

My coffin is dark blue with a gold and maroon frieze around it.
The lid has an outline of New Zealand about 30cm long with a Yorkshire Rose in the middle of the North Island.

TerryM Tue 26-Mar-19 08:21:56

Different generations different wants
Thinking of you OP at this difficult time
Mum and dad both had very expensive funerals and are buried together . Dad died fairly suddenly and mum wanted all the bits for him. So when she passed I did exactly the same casket...flowers..priest etc for her
Husband and I have ours all sorted.
Cremation and the one who died will be at home with the other till they pass
My urn/depository will be a handbag . I love handbags
My husband has his sorted as well.
My son is fine with that and we have said he can do what he wants after we are both gone
We do have a funeral plan but I would much prefer my son got a bit extra than spend it on a fancy service

Purplepoppies Tue 26-Mar-19 07:15:21

Sorry to hear about your MIL ?.
A friend of mine chose a white cardboard coffin and asked us all to write messages on it. It was beautiful. Very difficult but beautiful. She was cremated.
Another friend had a wicker casket. She was buried.
I think that biodegradable coffins are very popular.
I have no idea why people choose gold or silver fittings but each to their own.

Lyndiloo Tue 26-Mar-19 03:13:04

I've been thinking about my own funeral too. Cheap as chips, I want. I definitely don't want my kids wasting my (their) money on getting rid of my 'worn-out suit'. It won't be me. I'll be gone elsewhere, and won't care!

There's just one thing I want ... I lost twins, who are buried. And I really want my ashes scattered onto their grave. Now, I'm guessing that there are 'by-laws' about this indiscrimate distribution of ashes. But I've told my daughters not to ask permission - just do it! Dig me in a bit, so that I don't blow away. Ah ... I'll be back with my boys again. Heaven!

Borntosew Tue 26-Mar-19 02:11:03

I want a completely simple funeral too. I told my youngest son I was going to have my ashes scattered on the ocean in a place dear to us, but he asked me not to because he wanted a place to come and sit and talk to me. Brought me to tears as my own dear mum is buried 10, 000kms away and I would love to visit her too.

sharon103 Mon 25-Mar-19 22:24:49

For me, the same as Teetime cremation without ceremony.