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RIP Baby Star Hobson

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TopsyIrene06 Tue 14-Dec-21 18:36:28

I cannot believe what I have just heard on the news again. Utterly heartbreaking to hear of the cruelty that this little one endured from her mother and her mother's partner.

May this little darling rest in perfect peace and may the parents get the punishment that they deserve. This is dreadful.

Calistemon Tue 14-Dec-21 22:10:48

Kali2

''It's a cop out to write it all off as lack of funding.''

who on earth has done that? Nobody. Those women were evil and 100% responsible for this cruel tragedy. But young, inexperienced social workers, or others who are totally burnt out and who feel totally unsupported, with massive case loads of the worst, un-imaginable, most tragic cases- really does NOT help. The system is bled dry, just like the NHS.

You did.
Perhaps you forgot:

Kali2 Tue 14-Dec-21 19:04:40
And don't tell me this tragedy is NOT political- it is, 100%.

maddyone Tue 14-Dec-21 23:31:33

Poor little Star. She really didn’t have a chance. I don’t understand how anyone can be so cruel to a baby.

Doodledog Tue 14-Dec-21 23:40:49

No, it's unbelievable, isn't it. I can't stop thinking about it.

Iam64 Wed 15-Dec-21 08:52:24

Reading about the violence, emotional-physical abuse and torture Star suffered is devastating.

There’s another report in the press today about a toddler, murdered by stepfather. That little girl had been taken to Manchester RI several times with significant bruising, I think by her maternal grandmother. Each injury coincided with the infant being left in sole care of the man.
She was assessed by several specialists, including a paediatrician. She had surgery to an internal injury. The doctors involved all apologised and acknowledged non accidental injury should have been obvious.

I agree with trisher’ s comments about children’s services. I’d add that just as it’s become more difficult to recruit and retain specialist child protection social workers and police. Paediatricians and other doctors became reluctant to get involved in safeguarding. Yes, because of its complexity and the constant anxiety you may miss something and be pilloried.

I am not defending poor practice- something I’ve wrongly been accused of.

Sarnia Wed 15-Dec-21 09:03:51

More lessons to be learned I suppose. It makes you wonder how many poor little souls are out there at this very moment being ill-treated by the very people who should protect them.

tickingbird Wed 15-Dec-21 09:04:53

Her grandfather committed suicide over it.

What I really can’t understand is how anyone could dismiss all those referrals from different people. Even the mother’s own friend reported them. The bruise on her cheek looks like it extends down her neck.

I’ve said all along that it’s not about individuals; the whole system needs a complete overhaul. The degree needs to go along with the box ticking; most of which was brought in under Blair. Like the Shoesmith woman who stood outside court with her piechart showing how her department had dutifully ticked off all the right boxes. Didn’t stop Baby Peter being tortured though.

Shinamae Wed 15-Dec-21 09:14:50

I still feel literally sick about all this and still cannot stop Crying. When you see the pictures of that little girl especially when her mum asks if she loves her and the little girl hesitates is so,so heart breaking. And the photo of her in a yellow dress and a hat looking up whoever is taking the photo and you can see the fear in her eyes… hanging is far too good for this pair and all child abusers,they need to be made to suffer as they have made these poor poor children suffer.. I would literally put them in dungeons with just enough food to keep them alive and never to see the light of day again..

Doodledog Wed 15-Dec-21 09:42:03

What I really can’t understand is how anyone could dismiss all those referrals from different people. Even the mother’s own friend reported them. The bruise on her cheek looks like it extends down her neck.
I agree. Is there a central record of all incidents/referrals for one child? I remember when my daughter had an injury as a baby we were cross-questioned in hospital, and they knew that her brother had been checked out for a head injury a couple of weeks before - he had fallen at the swimming baths and banged his head. They were both seen at the same A&E, and it must be more complicated when different agencies are involved; but it seems sensible to have a synchronised system that would flag concerns, even if it is just used for children.

The degree needs to go along with the box ticking; most of which was brought in under Blair.
I'm not sure what this means. Are you suggesting that social workers do or don't need degrees? And do you mean that that box-ticking is good or bad?

25Avalon Wed 15-Dec-21 09:46:47

Pure evil. Those poor poor children. Their dear little faces haunt you. Yes there are system failures but absolutely nothing can excuse the abusers for their wickedness. These are people acting in evil ways with no compassion.

Hetty58 Wed 15-Dec-21 09:47:48

We've had severe cutbacks in council funding, social care, education, mental health support, police, NHS and housing - the whole safety net - since at least 2010. People struggle to do their jobs with underfunding and understaffing, isn't that obvious?.

Bradford children's services had an 'inadequate' rating way back in 2018, (and that's Ofsted, with their low 'standards') with social workers trying to protect children in caseloads of 50, meaning high staff turnover and pressure to close cases.

It seems to me that the public don't really care, don't want to fund decent services, ignore all the others, the two children killed every week by neglect or abuse (the ones we don't hear about). Then there's the predictable outcry when a violent case makes the headlines, the calls for severe punishment, the blame put on social workers. Still, people vote again to pay less tax, the hypocrites.

henetha Wed 15-Dec-21 09:57:38

I don't often cry during a news bulletin, but I did at this.
How in humanity can anyone do this to innocent little children. I am appalled at the inefficiency and carelessness that allows this to happen.
Most of all, of course, it's down to the two evil women who did this, but why do social services etc. fail so often?
And I agree with Hetty, - there have been so many cut backs in vital services that it is a disgrace.

Shinamae Wed 15-Dec-21 09:59:48

Hetty58

We've had severe cutbacks in council funding, social care, education, mental health support, police, NHS and housing - the whole safety net - since at least 2010. People struggle to do their jobs with underfunding and understaffing, isn't that obvious?.

Bradford children's services had an 'inadequate' rating way back in 2018, (and that's Ofsted, with their low 'standards') with social workers trying to protect children in caseloads of 50, meaning high staff turnover and pressure to close cases.

It seems to me that the public don't really care, don't want to fund decent services, ignore all the others, the two children killed every week by neglect or abuse (the ones we don't hear about). Then there's the predictable outcry when a violent case makes the headlines, the calls for severe punishment, the blame put on social workers. Still, people vote again to pay less tax, the hypocrites.

“It seems to me that the public don't really care, don't want to fund decent services” Who the hell are you to say that “the public don’t really care?”how dare you!!

Forsythia Wed 15-Dec-21 10:04:22

What never ceases to amaze me is that when you look at the adults involved they are always of similar ilk: gormless, unemployable, no purpose to their lives. Always the same types over and over again, that poor sweet baby.

trisher Wed 15-Dec-21 10:08:51

Shinamae

Hetty58

We've had severe cutbacks in council funding, social care, education, mental health support, police, NHS and housing - the whole safety net - since at least 2010. People struggle to do their jobs with underfunding and understaffing, isn't that obvious?.

Bradford children's services had an 'inadequate' rating way back in 2018, (and that's Ofsted, with their low 'standards') with social workers trying to protect children in caseloads of 50, meaning high staff turnover and pressure to close cases.

It seems to me that the public don't really care, don't want to fund decent services, ignore all the others, the two children killed every week by neglect or abuse (the ones we don't hear about). Then there's the predictable outcry when a violent case makes the headlines, the calls for severe punishment, the blame put on social workers. Still, people vote again to pay less tax, the hypocrites.

“It seems to me that the public don't really care, don't want to fund decent services” Who the hell are you to say that “the public don’t really care?”how dare you!!

Well said Hetty58
If you vote for a reduction in taxes and a cutback of services, if you believe in a "small state" then you either don't understand or don't care. It has to be one or the other Shinmae And all the tears in the world won't stop another child dying, only proper funding will help.

henetha Wed 15-Dec-21 10:10:57

Yes, Shinamae, I agree. We do care about this, most of us care very deeply. I am filled with rage at those two women, and the case of little Arthur recently.

EllanVannin Wed 15-Dec-21 10:14:17

Without sounding disrespectful to the baby I have to turn the volume down when the news is on about this case. I was doing the same when little Arthur was on the news. My insides were in a knot and unlike me, I couldn't eat. That's how much these things get to me.

MissAdventure Wed 15-Dec-21 10:15:28

Ah, so it's the public's fault?
Nothing whatsoever to do with those employed to protect the vulnerable?
So, if I bash someone in my care it's due to lack of funding?
If someone suspects I'm bashing them and reports me, and those reports (multiple) are dismissed, then that's also due to lack of funding?

If groups of men sexually abuse young girls (minors) and social workers write it off as lifestyle choices made by those minors, then that's also due to lack of funding?????

Calistemon Wed 15-Dec-21 10:19:44

These poor little souls are the ones we hear about.

Thousands of children have died at the hands of those who are supposed to care for them.
Thousands more are abused, mutilated.

Funding does need to be increased, more and better services provided, better training, the law changed to put the child's rights first.

But this is not a new phenomenon, sadly.

MissAdventure Wed 15-Dec-21 10:20:56

I feel exactly the same as you with regard to babies being slaughtered, Hetty.
That's precisely why a response of "oh but the poor social workers" is so distasteful.
Why the hell can't the whole system be critically examined?
Surely that's is the very least those poor children are owed.

henetha Wed 15-Dec-21 10:24:05

It's not just any one thing, but a combination of several.
I tend to blame David Cameron's goverment, partly.
Wasn't it him and George Osborne that cut back so many services, saying that it was vital to reduce the national debt?
I don't think many of those cut backs have been restored, as far as I know. It's a disgrace for a wealthy country like ours.
We need more police, more social workers, more mental health services, etc.

MissAdventure Wed 15-Dec-21 10:25:56

I've said before, perhaps we can also look at some of the responses on here to grandparents who have cause for concern about the grandchildren care; "keep your beak out".
"Mind your own business" is what is said to them.

My response to that has always been that I would consider it entirely my business if my grandchild was at risk.

There is nothing wrong with examining from top to bottom all of the many failings to keep children safe.

Calistemon Wed 15-Dec-21 10:28:54

"Mind your own business" is what is said to them.
It seems to be the official response too.

My response to that has always been that I would consider it entirely my business if my grandchild was at risk.
Hear hear

nightowl Wed 15-Dec-21 10:31:03

Hetty58 you make a good point. I’ve always thought that a social worker’s main role in the eyes of the public is to contain the social problems they don’t want to think about. When a tragedy happens everyone is forced to confront the reality of child abuse in the most heartbreaking way. Social workers confront this every single day, and cry often, not just when tragedies hit the headlines.

Doodledog Wed 15-Dec-21 10:34:32

In many ways, yes, MissA. Of course it is the fault of the perpetrators, but it is lack of funding that prevents proper state care of the victims.

The groups of men to whom you refer couldn't have preyed so easily on the girls if there had been more funding to support the sexual health teams, and the care homes, and the social workers, teachers and police who should have been able to keep them safe.

Similarly, reports on both Arthur and Star should have been followed up and acted on, but without enough funding it is just not possible for agencies to look out for every child who needs it. If a social worker had visited these children and not seen a different child who subsequently died, the finger would still be pointed at the social worker and not at the fact that there should be more of them with smaller workloads. There are only so many hours in a day.

And whilst the idea that the public is to blame it is not a palatable thought, trisher is pointing out that we all make choices when we vote, and if we want low taxes and individual responsibility as opposed to a more collective society where we pay a bit more and get more social services then we are, to a point, responsible when things go wrong.

It is not fair to blame over-worked social workers, doctors, teachers, and others who are employed to protect the vulnerable - the ones who have had any contact with either Arthur or Star will be torturing themselves as it is. What we need is a society which makes it possible for professionals to look after vulnerable children, not to have unmanageable workloads, targets and impossible expectations, and that takes money and the will to make it available.

MissAdventure Wed 15-Dec-21 10:35:41

Social workers weren't crying when they set up a meeting with my neighbour.
She came downstairs to me, totally distressed because they were cross questioning her about why she hadn't done anything.
I was able to give them dates and times and the names of the people she had spoken to, as I had made notes.
5 times.
The school.
2 times in person at ss offices.
2 times she and her daughter had phoned.
Guess why I had made notes??