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Controlling daughter in law regarding the death of her father

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Mal2 Sun 04-Sept-22 23:26:43

am a 66 year old single woman. I have 1 married son and 2 grandchildren.

I am writing this to try and understand why my daughter in law (DIL) is bitterly angry with me regarding the passing of her father.

I want to make this as brief as possible but it is a very sad and convoluted story…

I went to see father of my DIL who has been battling cancer after a bone marrow transplant.

I have 35 years of medical experience and upon seeing his condition I knew he needed to be in the hospital. I told his wife what I thought and also called my DIL to suggest admitting him, as I felt he was very sick.
5 days later he falls at home and both his wife and DIL are able to lift him up and drive to the hospital.
Once there, he was immediately admitted into ICU. His confirmed diagnosis was Sepsis.
From that point on, his condition deteriorated. He was intubated, given several antibiotics was in Septic Shock and finally passed away 19 days later.

This man was a wonderful human being and good friend to me.

4 days prior to his death, his family decided to have him extubated and placed in Comfort Care where he would die comfortably.
On this day the family said their goodbyes, fully expecting him to pass away within hours.
Because they all assumed that he would pass away quickly, my son and DIL told their children 6&8 years old that their grandfather had passed away.
The family was awaiting a call from from the hospital telling them he had passed. No call came. He was still alive and breathing on his own.

The prior evening I talked to my son who was tearful and told me they had said their goodbyes.
I was grieving as well and called the following day to see if I could join them as I wanted to see my son and comfort him. I was told no. My DIL and her mother were not wanting any visitors.

I had made plans to go and see this man on that Thursday. I work Monday thru Wednesday and Thursday was my first opportunity to do so.
I called the hospital to confirm that he was allowed visitors and was told yes.

I was relieved he was still alive as I needed to see him to say my goodbyes to help with my grieving and to gain closure.

While in his room a nurse came in and told me they were moving him out of ICU.
Thinking I was being helpful, I texted my son and let him know.
The following is the text I received. I have omitted titled all names with * symbol

“I am utterly shocked. I am asking that you never, ever tell ***that you visited him today. *** and * explicitly planned to be the last ones to be with him. *** is now not only painfully grieving, but now extremely angry. I am asking that you please do not contact either of them, and please leave now. **** already called the hospital and is taking ****back now. Again, * is not aware that anyone visited today and *** and I are asking that it must remain that way.”
I received 2 more texts asking for confirmation that I had left the hospital and ordering me to not contact them as they needed time and space due to the difficult position I put them in.

I was in total shock…
This angry text from my son is when I learned of his wife and mother in law’s “plan” to be the last ones to be with him.

I left the hospital sobbing. I was so confused.
By the time I got home, my confusion had turned to anger. Number one I was shocked to receive such a hateful text from my son and number 2 had no reasonable reason why…

I honored his order of not contacting him but not because he ordered me to but because if I had spoken to him I would have cut him to shreds with my tongue and knew that doing so would only compound the stress he was under.

My DIL’s father lived 4 more days.

I waited 2 weeks to contact my son and asked him to make arrangements to come and talk to me. He came yesterday and I finally had the answers I was looking for…

He told me that he and my DIL think that I overstepped my bounds and deliberately “ inserted” myself in the dying process and grief of her father…
He then told me that my DIL accused me of being selfish, self absorbed and was only thinking about myself…
I told my son that I only agreed with her 3rd accusation because , yes, I did go to see him because I needed to see him to say my goodbyes ease my grieving heart and to have closure. I then asked my son if he believed that wrongly inserted myself in their situation and he said yes. I asked him if be believes that I am selfish and self absorbed and he said no.

He told me that I should have called him and inform him of my plan to see his FIL. At this point I knew exactly what they wanted from me. I again told him I didn’t understand( even though I did) and decided that he was going to have to look me in the eye and tell me exactly why… he told me that I should have “asked” them if I could visit him. I asked him if they actually believed that I needed their permission to see him and he said yes…

I told him that I do not need anyone’s permission to do anything, including this. I told him that my visit with his FIL was between he and I only.

My son told me that he and my DIL assumed I had enough common sense to realize that when he told me over the phone that they said their goodbyes I was to understand that they were to be the last ones to see him…

I was dumbfounded and asked my son to explain to me just how I was to figure that out after only being told they had said their goodbyes…

He immediately admitted that it was wrong of him to assume I would figure it out.

I told him that his wife and MIL should have planned their “plan” a little more thoughtfully and made sure that anyone who wanted to say goodbye would not be able to. A sign on his door stating the family wanted no visitors…informing the hospital phone operators that for anyone who called was to be told that he was not taking visitors. I did call the hospital to make sure he was allowed visitors and I was told yes.

My son responded with this”. With all the stress they were under how can you possibly think that they would even think of doing that”
I told him that if their “plan” was that important to them, they should have thought it thru and took the proper steps to insure the plan remained uninterrupted.

My son then tells me that his wife and her mother decided ahead of time who they would or would not allow to see their dad and husband..
I told him that obviously I was one of the not allowed persons. He immediately regretted what came out of his mouth…
I laughed a little and told him that after learning this I am even happier that I went to see him and that I will NEVER regret my decision.

I was told that his wife does not want me to come to there house as her anger toward me is palatable. I told him I was just fine with that as I had no desire at all to see her but that I wanted and needed to see my grandchildren an he agreed to bring them to me.

I told my son to make sure his wife understands that I will NEVER compromise who I am and what my beliefs are to make her feel better. I told him the burden is on her to contact me.
I told him this will remain a situation where she and I will have to agree to disagree. I told him I have moved on and that If she wants to live in anger she owns the problem, not me.

I asked him if his wife is actively trying to ban me from their lives and he said no. That she told him she wants me in their lives and wants me to be a grandmother to their kids….
Not too sure I believe her though…

My son told me it is very hard being in the “ middle”. I went to him and hugged him and told him I loved him and he broke down and cried.

I posted this looking for answers as I truly believe I was within my rights whereas my DIL believes I was not…

Callistemon21 Mon 05-Sept-22 21:43:59

icanhandthemback

Callistemon21

I've even been given my own room so I don't have to leave the hospital. When I was sleeping or showering, another member of the family took my place.

icanhandthemback

I have never known that happen in a hospital. A chair is the best available, which might be padded if you're lucky.
Was that in a hospice or private hospital?

It was St Richard's Hospital in Chichester which is NHS. They were absolutely fantastic and I couldn't have asked for more at the most difficult time. They were equally accommodating when my children were ill where I was always given a put-u-up if the children were in overnight.

Excellent; we don't have the same here!

Summerlove Mon 05-Sept-22 21:40:58

You DILs father was dying and you admit you only thought Of yourself.

Do some introspection and try to figure out why you felt your wants were more important than her needs.

You are on the outer circle of grief. She’s on the inside

You should apologise if you ever want a relationship with their family again.

Otherwise, get used to being alone

HurdyGurdy Mon 05-Sept-22 20:48:24

icanhandthemback

Callistemon21

I've even been given my own room so I don't have to leave the hospital. When I was sleeping or showering, another member of the family took my place.

icanhandthemback

I have never known that happen in a hospital. A chair is the best available, which might be padded if you're lucky.
Was that in a hospice or private hospital?

It was St Richard's Hospital in Chichester which is NHS. They were absolutely fantastic and I couldn't have asked for more at the most difficult time. They were equally accommodating when my children were ill where I was always given a put-u-up if the children were in overnight.

I had the same experience 22 years ago when my mother was dying in Homerton Hospital in East London.

I didn't leave the hospital for the week she was there, and was given a room just down the corridor from ICU. They were wonderful.

LRavenscroft Mon 05-Sept-22 20:33:08

When my dad passed away I had cousins try to steamroller over his funeral with some petty family feud between a nephew & his daughter. I put very firm boundaries in place there and then. Subsequently I was so angry with them, that I can't be bothered with them now. Death is such a personal and sacred area to the next of kin, that anyone apart from immediate family should back off till told what the close family's wishes are.

icanhandthemback Mon 05-Sept-22 20:08:08

Callistemon21

^I've even been given my own room so I don't have to leave the hospital. When I was sleeping or showering, another member of the family took my place^.

icanhandthemback

I have never known that happen in a hospital. A chair is the best available, which might be padded if you're lucky.
Was that in a hospice or private hospital?

It was St Richard's Hospital in Chichester which is NHS. They were absolutely fantastic and I couldn't have asked for more at the most difficult time. They were equally accommodating when my children were ill where I was always given a put-u-up if the children were in overnight.

Polly7 Mon 05-Sept-22 18:33:59

Humble pie it is out of respect to the family. Even though you didn’t know when traumered we can all make mistakes get it wrong
Apologies and wait for calm and clearer thinking
A woman visited my husband when he was really poorly and I felt quite angry she didn’t check with me first

Think its a scam thread

Callistemon21 Mon 05-Sept-22 18:30:46

Her anger was palatable
I would think that is meant to be palpable

A strange tale
Extremely. I can discern no thought for how the relatives, the next-of-kin might be feeling at this sad time.

It would be interesting to hear their side of the story.

DaisyAnne Mon 05-Sept-22 18:29:18

Iam64

It really is an extraordinary post, as summarised by LondonMzFitz.
Initially my thought was what an angry, self righteous woman this is. The idea she would visit a dying man without communicating with his wife/daughter is hard to believe. Saying she had to do so to help her ‘grieve and have closure ‘ sounds like something out of one if those not very good US psychology mags

I’m joining the cynics here who think the
OP is a budding author

I agree Iam.

If not, I rather think MiL and DiL deserve one another. Maybe the son married her DiL because they are much more like than she likes to think.

Daddima Mon 05-Sept-22 18:23:52

So, ‘don’t tell * you’ve visited, but then * was not only grieving, but extremely angry’
‘The prior evening’?
‘ Her anger was palatable’?
Why phone the hospital to ask if he was allowed visitors rather than phone her son to ask how the gentleman was, and if he was allowed visitors? Surely if they were so close that her ‘grieving heart’ needed easing, his family would have understood?
A strange tale.

Callistemon21 Mon 05-Sept-22 18:10:24

I've even been given my own room so I don't have to leave the hospital. When I was sleeping or showering, another member of the family took my place.

icanhandthemback

I have never known that happen in a hospital. A chair is the best available, which might be padded if you're lucky.
Was that in a hospice or private hospital?

westerlywind Mon 05-Sept-22 16:50:55

When my parent was known to be unable to recover I stayed there at the hospital for 3 days. No shower no food. I told the ward staff that the only visitors were to be me and two other specified individuals, my ADC. Two of us were sitting with my parent when nursing staff gave out my parent's new location. This person tried to enter the room but we held the door shut. Even specifying to hospital staff who were the permitted visitors does not mean that they will stick to those instructions. I was AC, Carer, NoK and Power of Attorney.
I would have been absolutely furious if my parent had been force visited by anyone who was not specified. My parent was unconscious so I had the legal right to state the wishes I know my parent would have had if conscious.
I was furious with that person with that person even though the visit was blocked by ADC and me.
I would not have liked what OP did being done to any of my family. NoK has the power to decide who is allowed to visit an unconscious person, Power of Attorney makes that legally enforceable.
You really did overstep the mark as regards visiting the dying man.
You are in danger of losing contact with the DGC. You might like to see the DGC and enjoy their visits a lot but demanding like that is asking for trouble
You are lucky that the DIL and her Mother have not banned you from their worlds and that of the DGC.
Being able to rip a person, relative or not, to bits with your tongue is not something to be proud of.
I think you need to stop being so bossy and consider the feelings of other people before acting
I find it strange though that the dying man's wife, daughter and possibly son in law were not in attendance with him until the end. Nothing would have got me away from my dying parents and other relatives

aggie Mon 05-Sept-22 16:22:46

Well I am with the OP here ,
Visiting a dying friend is not easy , and OP made the effort
I can’t understand the Wife and Daughter leaving the poor man to die alone is horrible
Not visiting for 4 days is beyond my comprehension

imaround Mon 05-Sept-22 16:21:35

Some theories include:

The man made his wishes known to them before hand.

Like VS said, kids are returning back to school today and they wanted to have time to comfort them.

They did not expect him to live another 4 days but did not want to drag out the uncertainty with the children?

I believe there is much more to this story that would make it all more clear if we had the other side of it.

tickingbird Mon 05-Sept-22 16:19:04

Apart from anything else they’re in the wrong for leaving this man to die alone. Who does that??

VioletSky Mon 05-Sept-22 16:12:19

I think that possibly they told the children early because many children went back to school today and they wanted to comfort them first

Might not make sense to everyone but may have been easier for them

HousePlantQueen Mon 05-Sept-22 16:08:44

Am I the only one who is wondering why the 'loving' wife and daughter of the man didn't visit him themselves, but sat at home waiting for the poor man to die? Or did I read this wrong? Sorry, I have only quickly read the thread.

imaround Mon 05-Sept-22 15:55:09

Oh lord ny typing. Sorry!

imaround Mon 05-Sept-22 15:54:24

I can tell you that when ny father died in April, he did in fact wait until we all went home to do so. The hospice team told us that often happens.

I think there is more to this story, but to be honest it is what thebop said and did after the hospital that makes her unreasonable. The rest could be down to miscommunication or lack of communication.

icanhandthemback Mon 05-Sept-22 15:44:41

Callistemon21

^When a relative is in Comfort Care, there is normally a way that someone close to the person can stay for the entire time.^

Sorry, but our experience has been that you could sit with a loved one day and night, go home for something to eat, a shower then find that they had died when you were not there, as if they were holding on, not letting go whilst there was family there.
Sometimes a member of the medical staff will advise leaving because the patient needs and wants to go in private, even if they are in a coma.

Over the years my experience has been that I have been able to stay day and night. I've even been given my own room so I don't have to leave the hospital. When I was sleeping or showering, another member of the family took my place. This has happened on a number of occasions and never have we had a member of staff suggest we leave the patient on their own but I am sure that might happen.

Smileless2012 Mon 05-Sept-22 15:43:22

"My DIL and her mother were not wanting any visitors". That reads to me that the OP wanted to go to their home to see them, not to the hospital but of course without clarification from the OP it's open to interpretation.

icanhandthemback Mon 05-Sept-22 15:39:01

Smileless2012

confused the OP wasn't told she couldn't visit him icanhandthemback.

I was grieving as well and called the following day to see if I could join them as I wanted to see my son and comfort him. I was told no. My DIL and her mother were not wanting any visitors.

I would have taken it that I wasn't to visit if I had been told that because I would have assumed the family would be there until he died.

Callistemon21 Mon 05-Sept-22 14:15:10

Extraordinary post, OP.
It is indeed, LondonMzFitz!
Well summed up.

Saying she had to do so to help her ‘grieve and have closure ‘ sounds like something out of one if those not very good US psychology mags

I’m joining the cynics here who think the OP is a budding author

If so, I think she will need a good editor, Iam64.

Callistemon21 Mon 05-Sept-22 14:11:47

When a relative is in Comfort Care, there is normally a way that someone close to the person can stay for the entire time.

Sorry, but our experience has been that you could sit with a loved one day and night, go home for something to eat, a shower then find that they had died when you were not there, as if they were holding on, not letting go whilst there was family there.
Sometimes a member of the medical staff will advise leaving because the patient needs and wants to go in private, even if they are in a coma.

Callistemon21 Mon 05-Sept-22 14:07:16

ExDancer

Poor Mal2, she's not likely to be posting on here again after all that vileness.
All she did was visit a dying man in hospital. A man who had been written off by his family 4 days before he died, and who's grandchildren had been told he was already dead.

A man who had been written off by his family 4 days before he died
That is a very unfair thing to say, Ex-Dancer
He may well have been beyond knowing anyone and the family may have said their goodbyes to him when he may have understood. For reasons unknown to us they may have not wanted to see him in his death throes.

Iam64 Mon 05-Sept-22 14:07:03

It really is an extraordinary post, as summarised by LondonMzFitz.
Initially my thought was what an angry, self righteous woman this is. The idea she would visit a dying man without communicating with his wife/daughter is hard to believe. Saying she had to do so to help her ‘grieve and have closure ‘ sounds like something out of one if those not very good US psychology mags

I’m joining the cynics here who think the
OP is a budding author