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Controlling daughter in law regarding the death of her father

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Mal2 Sun 04-Sept-22 23:26:43

am a 66 year old single woman. I have 1 married son and 2 grandchildren.

I am writing this to try and understand why my daughter in law (DIL) is bitterly angry with me regarding the passing of her father.

I want to make this as brief as possible but it is a very sad and convoluted story…

I went to see father of my DIL who has been battling cancer after a bone marrow transplant.

I have 35 years of medical experience and upon seeing his condition I knew he needed to be in the hospital. I told his wife what I thought and also called my DIL to suggest admitting him, as I felt he was very sick.
5 days later he falls at home and both his wife and DIL are able to lift him up and drive to the hospital.
Once there, he was immediately admitted into ICU. His confirmed diagnosis was Sepsis.
From that point on, his condition deteriorated. He was intubated, given several antibiotics was in Septic Shock and finally passed away 19 days later.

This man was a wonderful human being and good friend to me.

4 days prior to his death, his family decided to have him extubated and placed in Comfort Care where he would die comfortably.
On this day the family said their goodbyes, fully expecting him to pass away within hours.
Because they all assumed that he would pass away quickly, my son and DIL told their children 6&8 years old that their grandfather had passed away.
The family was awaiting a call from from the hospital telling them he had passed. No call came. He was still alive and breathing on his own.

The prior evening I talked to my son who was tearful and told me they had said their goodbyes.
I was grieving as well and called the following day to see if I could join them as I wanted to see my son and comfort him. I was told no. My DIL and her mother were not wanting any visitors.

I had made plans to go and see this man on that Thursday. I work Monday thru Wednesday and Thursday was my first opportunity to do so.
I called the hospital to confirm that he was allowed visitors and was told yes.

I was relieved he was still alive as I needed to see him to say my goodbyes to help with my grieving and to gain closure.

While in his room a nurse came in and told me they were moving him out of ICU.
Thinking I was being helpful, I texted my son and let him know.
The following is the text I received. I have omitted titled all names with * symbol

“I am utterly shocked. I am asking that you never, ever tell ***that you visited him today. *** and * explicitly planned to be the last ones to be with him. *** is now not only painfully grieving, but now extremely angry. I am asking that you please do not contact either of them, and please leave now. **** already called the hospital and is taking ****back now. Again, * is not aware that anyone visited today and *** and I are asking that it must remain that way.”
I received 2 more texts asking for confirmation that I had left the hospital and ordering me to not contact them as they needed time and space due to the difficult position I put them in.

I was in total shock…
This angry text from my son is when I learned of his wife and mother in law’s “plan” to be the last ones to be with him.

I left the hospital sobbing. I was so confused.
By the time I got home, my confusion had turned to anger. Number one I was shocked to receive such a hateful text from my son and number 2 had no reasonable reason why…

I honored his order of not contacting him but not because he ordered me to but because if I had spoken to him I would have cut him to shreds with my tongue and knew that doing so would only compound the stress he was under.

My DIL’s father lived 4 more days.

I waited 2 weeks to contact my son and asked him to make arrangements to come and talk to me. He came yesterday and I finally had the answers I was looking for…

He told me that he and my DIL think that I overstepped my bounds and deliberately “ inserted” myself in the dying process and grief of her father…
He then told me that my DIL accused me of being selfish, self absorbed and was only thinking about myself…
I told my son that I only agreed with her 3rd accusation because , yes, I did go to see him because I needed to see him to say my goodbyes ease my grieving heart and to have closure. I then asked my son if he believed that wrongly inserted myself in their situation and he said yes. I asked him if be believes that I am selfish and self absorbed and he said no.

He told me that I should have called him and inform him of my plan to see his FIL. At this point I knew exactly what they wanted from me. I again told him I didn’t understand( even though I did) and decided that he was going to have to look me in the eye and tell me exactly why… he told me that I should have “asked” them if I could visit him. I asked him if they actually believed that I needed their permission to see him and he said yes…

I told him that I do not need anyone’s permission to do anything, including this. I told him that my visit with his FIL was between he and I only.

My son told me that he and my DIL assumed I had enough common sense to realize that when he told me over the phone that they said their goodbyes I was to understand that they were to be the last ones to see him…

I was dumbfounded and asked my son to explain to me just how I was to figure that out after only being told they had said their goodbyes…

He immediately admitted that it was wrong of him to assume I would figure it out.

I told him that his wife and MIL should have planned their “plan” a little more thoughtfully and made sure that anyone who wanted to say goodbye would not be able to. A sign on his door stating the family wanted no visitors…informing the hospital phone operators that for anyone who called was to be told that he was not taking visitors. I did call the hospital to make sure he was allowed visitors and I was told yes.

My son responded with this”. With all the stress they were under how can you possibly think that they would even think of doing that”
I told him that if their “plan” was that important to them, they should have thought it thru and took the proper steps to insure the plan remained uninterrupted.

My son then tells me that his wife and her mother decided ahead of time who they would or would not allow to see their dad and husband..
I told him that obviously I was one of the not allowed persons. He immediately regretted what came out of his mouth…
I laughed a little and told him that after learning this I am even happier that I went to see him and that I will NEVER regret my decision.

I was told that his wife does not want me to come to there house as her anger toward me is palatable. I told him I was just fine with that as I had no desire at all to see her but that I wanted and needed to see my grandchildren an he agreed to bring them to me.

I told my son to make sure his wife understands that I will NEVER compromise who I am and what my beliefs are to make her feel better. I told him the burden is on her to contact me.
I told him this will remain a situation where she and I will have to agree to disagree. I told him I have moved on and that If she wants to live in anger she owns the problem, not me.

I asked him if his wife is actively trying to ban me from their lives and he said no. That she told him she wants me in their lives and wants me to be a grandmother to their kids….
Not too sure I believe her though…

My son told me it is very hard being in the “ middle”. I went to him and hugged him and told him I loved him and he broke down and cried.

I posted this looking for answers as I truly believe I was within my rights whereas my DIL believes I was not…

Norah Sun 11-Sept-22 12:30:56

Smileless2012

The decision wont be only for her son's wife to make. She is his mother and the children's GM so regardless of how his wife feels, he may not wish to sever his and his children's relationship with her.

His wife doesn't have to see her m.i.l. or have any contact with her if she chooses not too, but it doesn't necessary follow that he will feel the same and from what the OP has put in her latest post, it doesn't look as if he does.

Agreed.

I'd go so far as to say DS makes decisions about his mum. DS wife can be part of the decision about the children, but shouldn't be making unilateral decisions about DS.

Smileless2012 Sun 11-Sept-22 12:36:18

Yes Norah. His wife may say for example she doesn't want the children to spend time with her m.i.l. without her H being there, but should never expect him to agree to her not seeing the children or for him to stop seeing his mother.

Norah Sun 11-Sept-22 12:38:51

AmberSpyglass

Not for long, if she keeps upsetting his grieving wife!

Agreed.

DS can take his children to visit mum. However unless OP stops making demands and being bossy, I predict DS led visits with GC will end, mum will find other things for the children to do

Norah Sun 11-Sept-22 12:48:02

Smileless2012

Yes Norah. His wife may say for example she doesn't want the children to spend time with her m.i.l. without her H being there, but should never expect him to agree to her not seeing the children or for him to stop seeing his mother.

Agreed.

She should never expect DS to not see his mother.

In a practical sense, both parents may think they both need to agree on the children's visits. Two yes and one no.

I'd say mum can argue that quite easily and OP is not likely to win said argument with her bad attitudes and "demands".

Smileless2012 Sun 11-Sept-22 12:50:39

I hope that the OP's son has enough decency for that not to be the case Norah. For those who think she has done a bad thing, that doesn't make her a bad person, but punishing her by preventing her from see her GC, and her GC from seeing their GM, would be the actions of a bad person.

VioletSky Sun 11-Sept-22 12:50:56

It's amazing how young children start saying they don't want to be around certain adults. As a child who was seriously let down on that score, I advocate listening to them

Hithere Sun 11-Sept-22 12:55:51

Very true VS

Norah Sun 11-Sept-22 13:12:46

Smileless2012

I hope that the OP's son has enough decency for that not to be the case Norah. For those who think she has done a bad thing, that doesn't make her a bad person, but punishing her by preventing her from see her GC, and her GC from seeing their GM, would be the actions of a bad person.

I think you may be misunderstanding a common method of making decisions. Two yes, one no works for many people is all circumstance. We have no idea to how this couple decide, by what method.

We decide two yes, one no. We're decent, decidedly not "bad" people.

No punishing whatsoever, a choice to end visits.

HeavenLeigh Sun 11-Sept-22 13:30:57

To be honest the comment the op would have cut her son to threads with her tongue, did it for me, I’m sure it’s very difficult to be in the middle for the son, I’m more on the side of the dil and her son.

Smileless2012 Sun 11-Sept-22 13:36:27

Not IMO Norah. If the OP loses contact with her GC for me that would to punish her regardless of who is ultimately responsible for the decision, and will also punish her GC.

VioletSky Sun 11-Sept-22 13:48:16

The best way to have a good relationship with the grandchildren is to have a good relationship with the parents

Smileless2012 Sun 11-Sept-22 13:51:49

Which requires a willingness and cooperation from all concerned.

VioletSky Sun 11-Sept-22 13:59:27

Exactly Smileless

Norah Sun 11-Sept-22 14:05:57

Smileless2012

Not IMO Norah. If the OP loses contact with her GC for me that would to punish her regardless of who is ultimately responsible for the decision, and will also punish her GC.

I disagree. Neither GM or GC are "punished" they can pick up at 18 (or whatever out of house age).

I think we will not agree on two yes one no.

Norah Sun 11-Sept-22 14:08:14

VioletSky

The best way to have a good relationship with the grandchildren is to have a good relationship with the parents

There it is.

Don't be a bossy demanding person, slowly build a relationship.

Callistemon21 Sun 11-Sept-22 14:23:30

VioletSky

It's amazing how young children start saying they don't want to be around certain adults. As a child who was seriously let down on that score, I advocate listening to them

I agree. We should always listen to them and try to find out what is at the root of their worries.
It may be something simple which can be rectified simply or could be something more serious.

imaround Sun 11-Sept-22 16:54:17

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imaround Sun 11-Sept-22 16:55:26

At some point after the 1960s, a medical assistant would have had ti be certified, which would have required some level of additional education.

M0nica Sun 11-Sept-22 18:05:11

I understand how upset you are, but it seems right from the word go, in your OP, you are putting yourself centre stage.

The first thing you tell us is your biographic and family detailts, none of which are relevant. You tell us in the title that the story involves your DS and Controlling DiL over her own father's death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. How your nursing experience told you he was seriously ill some days before he had the fall that caused his hospital admission and that you told your DiL and her mother. Yet, as all this happened several days before your friend was taken to hospital and had no effect on the outcome, why did you need to tell us this part of the story, anyway? You do say that you want to be as brief as possible.

I am deeply sorry but I must agree with others, this whole story is about you and how it affected you, and how upset you are. No sympathy and understanding for a grieving daughter and wife, your sons' natural concern for his wife and this sad, sad time.

I suspect your behaviour was, for your son, the straw that broke the camel's back. That this event is the culmination of a whole pattern of behaviour that puts you, your needs and how you are treated before the real needs and kindness other people need.

I am with others, you way overstepped the mark. Put your self on the same level in these events as the man's family.

Stop justifying yourself. Accept you far overstepped the mark and apologise and then keep quie for some onths. say nothing, accept that your place in this tragedy is right out in the margins not centre stage. It is the only way forward if you want to keep any kind of relationship with son.

Oldnproud Sun 11-Sept-22 18:13:08

I fail to see how 'two yes, one no' works, or at least works fairly

Question 1: Son asks " Should we stop contact with my mother?"
Son says no, his wife says yes, so contact continues.

Question 2. Son asks, "Shall we carry on having contact with my mother.?"
Son says yes, his wife says no, so contact ends.

Same basic question, but with a different outcome purely because of how it's worded!

In other words, whoever asks the question can't fail to get their way as long as they word it a certain way in the first place!

Oldnproud Sun 11-Sept-22 18:14:11

It's as silly as tossing a coin and saying, "Heads I win, tails you lose."

Callistemon21 Sun 11-Sept-22 18:18:08

accept that your place in this tragedy is right out in the margins not centre stage

Nothing more needs to be said, really. This sums it up, very politely.

Norah Sun 11-Sept-22 18:27:20

Oldnproud

I fail to see how 'two yes, one no' works, or at least works fairly

Question 1: Son asks " Should we stop contact with my mother?"
Son says no, his wife says yes, so contact continues.

Question 2. Son asks, "Shall we carry on having contact with my mother.?"
Son says yes, his wife says no, so contact ends.

Same basic question, but with a different outcome purely because of how it's worded!

In other words, whoever asks the question can't fail to get their way as long as they word it a certain way in the first place!

No.

Your Q1 they end contact (one no)

Your Q2 they end contact (one no)

It's brilliant as an argument solution.

Oldnproud Sun 11-Sept-22 18:36:25

Norah

Oldnproud

I fail to see how 'two yes, one no' works, or at least works fairly

Question 1: Son asks " Should we stop contact with my mother?"
Son says no, his wife says yes, so contact continues.

Question 2. Son asks, "Shall we carry on having contact with my mother.?"
Son says yes, his wife says no, so contact ends.

Same basic question, but with a different outcome purely because of how it's worded!

In other words, whoever asks the question can't fail to get their way as long as they word it a certain way in the first place!

No.

Your Q1 they end contact (one no)

Your Q2 they end contact (one no)

It's brilliant as an argument solution.

Q1: The question was ' Shall we end contact?"

As i understand Two yes, one no, both would need to say "yes" for contact to end. In my example, they didn't. The son said "no", so contact continues.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 11-Sept-22 18:38:25

I don't wish to be unkind, and my post is not meant to be unkind, but you do come across as very superior. You are told mil/dil could not paint such a nice picture or cook such a lovely meal - aren't they paying you a compliment? You really do seem to have a very strange attitude about your accomplishments - and they are no more than that. You have learned some medical knowledge over the years but have no medical qualifications. You have learned how to decorate cakes and you have run a B&B. So have a lot of women. It seems your dil's family have actual educational qualifications yet, rather surprisingly, they don't look down on your lack of educational qualifications. Perhaps that's because they're kind. You really do not have anything special to boast about, and maybe if you recognised that you would get on with the family far better. I say this as a qualified lawyer who does her best not to boast about that to people I meet. I recognise that they have many useful talents that I don't.