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Controlling daughter in law regarding the death of her father

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Mal2 Sun 04-Sept-22 23:26:43

am a 66 year old single woman. I have 1 married son and 2 grandchildren.

I am writing this to try and understand why my daughter in law (DIL) is bitterly angry with me regarding the passing of her father.

I want to make this as brief as possible but it is a very sad and convoluted story…

I went to see father of my DIL who has been battling cancer after a bone marrow transplant.

I have 35 years of medical experience and upon seeing his condition I knew he needed to be in the hospital. I told his wife what I thought and also called my DIL to suggest admitting him, as I felt he was very sick.
5 days later he falls at home and both his wife and DIL are able to lift him up and drive to the hospital.
Once there, he was immediately admitted into ICU. His confirmed diagnosis was Sepsis.
From that point on, his condition deteriorated. He was intubated, given several antibiotics was in Septic Shock and finally passed away 19 days later.

This man was a wonderful human being and good friend to me.

4 days prior to his death, his family decided to have him extubated and placed in Comfort Care where he would die comfortably.
On this day the family said their goodbyes, fully expecting him to pass away within hours.
Because they all assumed that he would pass away quickly, my son and DIL told their children 6&8 years old that their grandfather had passed away.
The family was awaiting a call from from the hospital telling them he had passed. No call came. He was still alive and breathing on his own.

The prior evening I talked to my son who was tearful and told me they had said their goodbyes.
I was grieving as well and called the following day to see if I could join them as I wanted to see my son and comfort him. I was told no. My DIL and her mother were not wanting any visitors.

I had made plans to go and see this man on that Thursday. I work Monday thru Wednesday and Thursday was my first opportunity to do so.
I called the hospital to confirm that he was allowed visitors and was told yes.

I was relieved he was still alive as I needed to see him to say my goodbyes to help with my grieving and to gain closure.

While in his room a nurse came in and told me they were moving him out of ICU.
Thinking I was being helpful, I texted my son and let him know.
The following is the text I received. I have omitted titled all names with * symbol

“I am utterly shocked. I am asking that you never, ever tell ***that you visited him today. *** and * explicitly planned to be the last ones to be with him. *** is now not only painfully grieving, but now extremely angry. I am asking that you please do not contact either of them, and please leave now. **** already called the hospital and is taking ****back now. Again, * is not aware that anyone visited today and *** and I are asking that it must remain that way.”
I received 2 more texts asking for confirmation that I had left the hospital and ordering me to not contact them as they needed time and space due to the difficult position I put them in.

I was in total shock…
This angry text from my son is when I learned of his wife and mother in law’s “plan” to be the last ones to be with him.

I left the hospital sobbing. I was so confused.
By the time I got home, my confusion had turned to anger. Number one I was shocked to receive such a hateful text from my son and number 2 had no reasonable reason why…

I honored his order of not contacting him but not because he ordered me to but because if I had spoken to him I would have cut him to shreds with my tongue and knew that doing so would only compound the stress he was under.

My DIL’s father lived 4 more days.

I waited 2 weeks to contact my son and asked him to make arrangements to come and talk to me. He came yesterday and I finally had the answers I was looking for…

He told me that he and my DIL think that I overstepped my bounds and deliberately “ inserted” myself in the dying process and grief of her father…
He then told me that my DIL accused me of being selfish, self absorbed and was only thinking about myself…
I told my son that I only agreed with her 3rd accusation because , yes, I did go to see him because I needed to see him to say my goodbyes ease my grieving heart and to have closure. I then asked my son if he believed that wrongly inserted myself in their situation and he said yes. I asked him if be believes that I am selfish and self absorbed and he said no.

He told me that I should have called him and inform him of my plan to see his FIL. At this point I knew exactly what they wanted from me. I again told him I didn’t understand( even though I did) and decided that he was going to have to look me in the eye and tell me exactly why… he told me that I should have “asked” them if I could visit him. I asked him if they actually believed that I needed their permission to see him and he said yes…

I told him that I do not need anyone’s permission to do anything, including this. I told him that my visit with his FIL was between he and I only.

My son told me that he and my DIL assumed I had enough common sense to realize that when he told me over the phone that they said their goodbyes I was to understand that they were to be the last ones to see him…

I was dumbfounded and asked my son to explain to me just how I was to figure that out after only being told they had said their goodbyes…

He immediately admitted that it was wrong of him to assume I would figure it out.

I told him that his wife and MIL should have planned their “plan” a little more thoughtfully and made sure that anyone who wanted to say goodbye would not be able to. A sign on his door stating the family wanted no visitors…informing the hospital phone operators that for anyone who called was to be told that he was not taking visitors. I did call the hospital to make sure he was allowed visitors and I was told yes.

My son responded with this”. With all the stress they were under how can you possibly think that they would even think of doing that”
I told him that if their “plan” was that important to them, they should have thought it thru and took the proper steps to insure the plan remained uninterrupted.

My son then tells me that his wife and her mother decided ahead of time who they would or would not allow to see their dad and husband..
I told him that obviously I was one of the not allowed persons. He immediately regretted what came out of his mouth…
I laughed a little and told him that after learning this I am even happier that I went to see him and that I will NEVER regret my decision.

I was told that his wife does not want me to come to there house as her anger toward me is palatable. I told him I was just fine with that as I had no desire at all to see her but that I wanted and needed to see my grandchildren an he agreed to bring them to me.

I told my son to make sure his wife understands that I will NEVER compromise who I am and what my beliefs are to make her feel better. I told him the burden is on her to contact me.
I told him this will remain a situation where she and I will have to agree to disagree. I told him I have moved on and that If she wants to live in anger she owns the problem, not me.

I asked him if his wife is actively trying to ban me from their lives and he said no. That she told him she wants me in their lives and wants me to be a grandmother to their kids….
Not too sure I believe her though…

My son told me it is very hard being in the “ middle”. I went to him and hugged him and told him I loved him and he broke down and cried.

I posted this looking for answers as I truly believe I was within my rights whereas my DIL believes I was not…

luluaugust Mon 05-Sept-22 09:43:36

Goodness it would make a wonderful opera.

HurdyGurdy Mon 05-Sept-22 09:41:29

Caleo

All you who are criticising the OP can have no idea how close she and the dying man were. She may have been his lover for years , for all you know. Also remember sometimes friends are emotionally closer than relations.

In any case, this woman was obviously very upset and needs at least some ordinary sympathy for being at odds with her son!

Are you her twin ?

lemsip Mon 05-Sept-22 09:39:25

you overstepped the mark! they were right to keep you away!

Zoejory Mon 05-Sept-22 09:38:23

I agree! Totally bonkers

Zoejory Mon 05-Sept-22 09:37:23

Caleo

All you who are criticising the OP can have no idea how close she and the dying man were. She may have been his lover for years , for all you know. Also remember sometimes friends are emotionally closer than relations.

In any case, this woman was obviously very upset and needs at least some ordinary sympathy for being at odds with her son!

She may have been his lover? Good grief. What about the feelings of this man's wife?

She is nothing to this man at all. Nothing to do with her. All she had to do was phone her son and ask if she could go and visit the poor bloke.

Granmarderby10 Mon 05-Sept-22 09:35:27

After reading this and a few of the responses it is apparent that there are more strange people in this world than I ever imagined.
Just odd, odd people who no doubt believe they are behaving in a completely rational way…..?

MerylStreep Mon 05-Sept-22 09:35:10

Oldbat1

Can’t be a real post.

Totally agree. I think OP is practicing her fictional ? writing skills.

Susan56 Mon 05-Sept-22 09:25:50

I too think you overstepped the mark.When my dad was in Intensive Care 28 years ago and we knew that he wouldn’t recover, my mother,brothers and I agreed that only immediate family would visit him.Our wishes were respected for which I’m still very grateful.

I agree with other posters that you intruded on their grief and made it all about you.

I very rarely stray from the Good Morning thread and occasionally soops kitchen but I found your post quite shocking.

I think now you understand how the family felt, an apology is definitely called for.

Caleo Mon 05-Sept-22 09:24:21

All you who are criticising the OP can have no idea how close she and the dying man were. She may have been his lover for years , for all you know. Also remember sometimes friends are emotionally closer than relations.

In any case, this woman was obviously very upset and needs at least some ordinary sympathy for being at odds with her son!

Zoejory Mon 05-Sept-22 09:22:56

If my mother in law had decided to visit my dying parent I'd have gone ballistic.

Shelflife Mon 05-Sept-22 09:19:48

I read your post last night and couldn't believe it! I delayed my response as needed to see what other people thought. You have well and truely overstepped the mark! As for NEVER regretting your decision and NEVER compromising - What!? Tearing your son to shreds with your tongue , unbelievable. Regardless of what you believe you were not the most important person in this situation. Your sense of entitlement astounds me. You should most certainly have asked before visiting and should have been prepared for a negative response. I suspect there is more behind this story than meets the eye. Your next step is to apologize ( if that is vaguely possible) I sincerely hope you can sort this out with your son and DIL - given your attitude I would not hold your breath on that.

Septimia Mon 05-Sept-22 09:14:54

I can't understand why his family wouldn't visit him themselves while he was still alive. Saying goodbye in anticipation seems most odd and surely most people would go on visiting someone they supposedly cared so much for.

Strange.

Caleo Mon 05-Sept-22 09:13:14

What a good, healthy thing it was that your grief about your son's text transformed into anger.

I think that your late friend's daughter is possessive because she lost control of the whole death and bereavement situation. She views you as an interloper. In actual fact death was the interloper and she can't blame death.

If she is intelligent enough she will come to understand her own problem with her bereavement. As a couple, she and your son seem to be like many if not most married couples; they behave as if they share one mind. Maybe your sons is more insightful than she, you will know.

Naturally all this comes at a bad time for you and you are grieving all on your own. You are able to put your feelings and thoughts in order, and you will cope.

Oldbat1 Mon 05-Sept-22 08:59:14

Can’t be a real post.

Nannagarra Mon 05-Sept-22 08:53:18

Stop thinking merely about yourself, your wants, your needs and stop bulldozing your way through life.
To put your son in such an awful position is unforgivable.
You owe them all a sincere and heartfelt apology.

eazybee Mon 05-Sept-22 08:47:29

I find it hard to believe that someone could post on a public forum such a detailed account of a highly personal family matter.

DerbyshireLass Mon 05-Sept-22 08:44:07

HurdyGurdy

Would also add that I find it strange that the family would leave him to die alone in a hospital. If they expected him to die within hours, why didn't at least one of them stay with him?

This......

I found that quite shocking.

notgran Mon 05-Sept-22 08:36:55

LovelyCuppa

Surely this isn't real. I can't believe anyone could be so selfish.

Exactly. I hope it is just another of these Gransnet spoof posts. If not what a horrible person Mal2 is.

HurdyGurdy Mon 05-Sept-22 08:31:44

Would also add that I find it strange that the family would leave him to die alone in a hospital. If they expected him to die within hours, why didn't at least one of them stay with him?

HurdyGurdy Mon 05-Sept-22 08:28:16

I can understand the misunderstanding that led you to believe it was OK for you to visit him in hospital.

What I cannot understand is your attitude when the man's family's feelings were made clear to you, after they became aware that you had visited.

Yes, maybe they should have made it clear that after his wife and daughter had paid their final visit, their wishes were that no other visitors should be allowed. But we don't always think straight when we are grieving, so I don't think it is reasonable to hold them accountable for this oversight.

But your current stance is appalling. Once you were made aware of his family's distress at your visit, you should have made a grovelling apology, explaining that you hadn't realised they didn't want anyone to visit following their final visit.

You have made this man's death all about you and your feelings, and you don't seem able to see his family's point of view.

It may be too late to repair the damage to your relationships, given your conversations with your son, but I think you should apologise profusely to the family, saying that on reflection , you can see how your actions were inappropriate, even though at the time, no disrespect was intended.

Jackiest Mon 05-Sept-22 07:36:11

I do hope that if I am on my deathbed people do not start making decisions of who I can see and who I can not. I will see all who wish to come and say goodby.

Sara1954 Mon 05-Sept-22 07:31:52

I have just re read this incase I am missing something.
I take it your daughter in law and her mother were the last to say goodbye because he lived beyond their expectations.
I’m wondering what your relationship with your daughter in law was like before all this, have you perhaps overstepped the mark before.
Reading it again I feel your daughter in law has a point, but I think your son could have handled it a lot better, but at the moment his wife is his priority, not his mother.
I can’t help feeling this is all about your relationship with them, if it was close and amicable I don’t think it would have come to this.

BlueBalou Mon 05-Sept-22 07:19:58

LovelyCuppa

Surely this isn't real. I can't believe anyone could be so selfish.

Nor me ☹️

LovelyCuppa Mon 05-Sept-22 07:17:51

Surely this isn't real. I can't believe anyone could be so selfish.

Oopsadaisy1 Mon 05-Sept-22 07:09:24

I wish this had been posted under ‘am I being unreasonable’

Goodness, you are.

This wasn't about you and your grief, it was about their family and their grieving process. I can’t begin to say how shocked I was when I read your post.