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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

The wrong kind of refugee?

In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.

Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?

Barbara Fox

The wrong kind of refugee?

Posted on: Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

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Are today's refugees really any different?

When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.

Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.

Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.

On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?


Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.

The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.

Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.

Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.

Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.

When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.

By Barbara Fox

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Anniebach Fri 16-Dec-16 23:25:15

not without the humility to listen to the fears and not to bombard with statistics from God know where . Some people have cause to fear , not misplaced fear but from experience

nancyma Fri 16-Dec-16 23:46:23

durhamjen absolutely right.

Anniebach Sat 17-Dec-16 08:15:17

No Jen is wrong. Is it not arrogant to claim people's fears are unfounded because one does not share those fears?

durhamjen Sat 17-Dec-16 09:40:01

Of course I am, Annie, in your eyes. I have always been wrong in your eyes, ever since you changed your mind about Corbyn and I did not.

Anniebach Sat 17-Dec-16 10:15:17

Jen, this has nothing to do with Corbyn. You now seem incapable of looking at things from different view points.

You cannot allay fears with statistics , you have to accept not all see things your way, you have to accept this Jen, you cannot tell people they are in the wrong and by lecturing them you can change their minds

you want a multi cultural society, there are people who do not , I can accept this ,you cannot . Doesn't mean I agree with them or with you, just I can understand both

Anya Sat 17-Dec-16 13:11:00

Careful Annie or you could be accused of being able to see the other persons point of view tchwink

Anniebach Sat 17-Dec-16 13:52:51

Perish the thought Anya grin.

Anniebach Tue 20-Dec-16 09:58:01

I trust Jen you will explain how you will show people who are listening to news of the attack in a Christmas market in Germany , their fears are misplaced and based on false information

durhamjen Tue 20-Dec-16 11:40:24

You're with Farage, then, are you, Annie?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/20/nigel-farage-accuses-jo-cox-widower-brendan-cox-of-supporting-extremism

I was listening to the local radio this morning, to people saying we should all have the right to bear arms in this country because of what happened in Germany. One man said he should have the right to shoot any thug he wanted to.

The woman I agreed with was the one who said that armed police on the street did not stop it, and would never stop extremists from doing things like this.

At the moment, as far as I am aware,the reason behind what happened is just speculation. The real driver of the truck is missing. Unlike Nigel Farage,and others on the far right, I am not blamimg Merkel for allowing people to take refuge in Germany. I feel sorry for those who have lost their lives in this terrible tragedy. I also feel sorry for all those refugees who will now be looked at with even more suspicion.

Anniebach Tue 20-Dec-16 11:44:55

No I am not Jen, juxt trying to clear up this disagreement we hsve on people's fears, you claim they are unfounded and misplaced, I say they need to be listened to and understood . You dismiss them

Ana Tue 20-Dec-16 11:45:13

What do you mean 'the real driver of the truck is missing'? He is not, he's been arrested.

Anniebach Tue 20-Dec-16 11:47:09

He us a 23 year old refugee from Pakistan who has been in Germany for a year , according to the Beeb

durhamjen Tue 20-Dec-16 12:52:32

The truck came from Poland. It appears to have been stolen from where the driver was last night. The driver from Poland had told his boss, who was his cousin, that he was going to deliver what was in the truck today.

I don't dismiss people's fears. I say we should try and alleviate them, by showing them that not all immigrants are to be feared. People are beginning to fear all immigrants. That is wrong. The problems are caused by just a few immigrants, and giving people statistics can help.

Ana Tue 20-Dec-16 12:57:39

Oh, you mean the legitimate driver of the lorry. His body was found in the passenger seat, he's believed to have been shot.

Ankers Tue 20-Dec-16 12:58:10

Everyone knows it is not all immigrants.
Doesnt help the situation last night.

durhamjen Tue 20-Dec-16 13:11:15

So what do you think of Farage's comments?

durhamjen Tue 20-Dec-16 13:16:35

The police now think they might not have the right man. In the meantime, a lot more anti-Pakistani feeling will have been generated by people being misguided/ misled.

Anniebach Tue 20-Dec-16 13:28:53

Jen, you said their fears are unfounded , please stop using Farage. How are you going to calm these fears you claim are unfounded ?

durhamjen Tue 20-Dec-16 13:37:00

I will not stop using Farage. He has claimed that Brendan Cox is a supporter of extremism, because he's a member of Hope Not Hate. I am as well, so does that make me a supporter of extremism?
Hope Not Hate are discussing it with their lawyers and may sue Farage.
This is what happens when people do not question the views of people like Farage.
Are you saying we should just understand their fears, and allow people like Farage to carry on stirring fears?

Ana Tue 20-Dec-16 13:37:12

giving people statistics can help.

Really? I doubt it.

Anniebach Tue 20-Dec-16 13:53:51

No Jen, I am asking how you are going to take away people's fears by telling them they are unfounded?

are you going to say 'only twelve died, more die in car crashes'

durhamjen Tue 20-Dec-16 13:56:40

Here's a statistic for you.
There is one refugee for every 380 citizens in the UK.
In Lebanon there is one for every four.

Should we be frightened of all the refugees in our midst, or does that figure reassure you?
I am aware that they are not spread evenly, by the way. I've even taught English and maths to a few, put them up, changed their bedding, fed them and clothed them.
I lived with immigrants, not refugees, in the 50s and 60s, so I know there is nothing to fear from them any more than there is something to fear from white British citizens - apart from the few rogue ones in the community.
We should not encourage people to go round fearing anyone who looks or sounds different.

durhamjen Tue 20-Dec-16 13:58:57

Annie, the person I heard saying that this morning was the one who wanted to carry a gun.
I never even thought of it.

JessM Tue 20-Dec-16 13:59:43

The vast majority of terrorist attacks in Europe over the last 10 years or so have been carried out by those born in the EU. So why do the media rush to speculate whether the perpetrator was an immigrant/asylumn seeker/refugee?

durhamjen Tue 20-Dec-16 14:06:56

By the Way Hope Not Hate are asking for donations to take Farage to court.
MPs are asking for people to donate to the JoCox fund to show Farage you disagree with him.
A third of the donations to that fund go to Hope Not Hate.

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