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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

The wrong kind of refugee?

In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.

Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?

Barbara Fox

The wrong kind of refugee?

Posted on: Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

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Are today's refugees really any different?

When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.

Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.

Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.

On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?


Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.

The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.

Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.

Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.

Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.

When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.

By Barbara Fox

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durhamjen Tue 13-Dec-16 22:35:28

labourlist.org/2016/12/maya-goodfellow-lets-restore-some-facts-to-the-immigration-debate-and-then-let-labour-push-back-against-prejudice/

That's all it is, prejudice.

durhamjen Tue 13-Dec-16 23:23:16

'At the Houses of Parliament on Tuesday, Michaela Fyson from Staffordshire handed over copies – one for each MP – of A Country of Refuge, with help from the book’s editor, Lucy Popescu. The event was attended by MPs, members of the Lords, writers and refugees.

A mixture of specially commissioned fiction, memoir, poetry and essays, A Country of Refuge was created “to make a positive and vital contribution to the national debate and to foster a kinder attitude towards our fellow humans who are fleeing violence, persecution, poverty or intolerance,” Popescu said.
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Fyson said she was inspired to give the gifts to MPs after buying a copy of the book in her local bookshop. She said: “The idea of influencing the tone of the debate around refugees and asylum seekers came to me when I read the introduction. I thought, I need to act on this.

“There are too many politicians referring to these groups of people as if they are animals – talking about them ‘swarming’, or needing their teeth checked like horses to see how old they are. That is what we need to change.” '

From the Guardian. Not just MPs who need to change.

Luckylegs9 Wed 14-Dec-16 06:39:51

Duramjen. Do you want a list of celebrities who publicly say we should be doing more and taking more refugees, whilst living in huge houses and having second homes. George Clooney, he has huge house here plus others abroad, Benedict Cumberbatchcis another one, the list is long. Then there is the man in the street, how many have one or two spare rooms? One of the Luba I go to with some quire well off members, families grown and flown, collect for refugees, but have non in their soared rooms that are only used for high says and family visits. That is the reality.

durhamjen Wed 14-Dec-16 20:41:54

How many spare rooms do you have, Luckylegs?
Do you live in a place where there are plenty of jobs?
Amal Clooney's family were refugees themselves, from Lebanon, which is why Lebanon take in lots of Syrians, because they have been in a similar situation.
The Clooneys do humanitarian work. She is a human rights lawyer. A lot more useful than Cherie Blair who tried to get new housing laws overturned so that she wouldn't have to pay more tax on the many properties her family owns to rent out.

Anniebach Wed 14-Dec-16 22:14:02

The fact that Lebanon takes in Syrian refugees excuses the Clooneys from not doing so?

No mention of Cheri Blairs work for women's rights, dirt digging more fun?

durhamjen Wed 14-Dec-16 22:22:03

I didn't have to dig to find that out, Annie. It's in the open, on threads about landlords and the housing crisis, which I get delivered to my inbox.
You obviously don't care about the Blairs' hypocrisy. I do.

I do not know if the Clooneys take in Syrian refugees, and nor do you.
However, of the two lawyers, I know who does the more humanitarian work. I am surprised you do not care.
Not bothered about the homeless and those who are going to lose their homes because of having their benefits capped?
Of course not, much better to have a dig at me.

Anniebach Wed 14-Dec-16 23:16:13

Jrn,you are getting hysterical again , when you do you post untruths . One woman does humanitarian work, one woman works for women's rights, I admire both causes

Snd what thr hell has benefit caps to do with this thread , now you post the thread where I have said I do not care about the homeless or have the grace to apologise

durhamjen Wed 14-Dec-16 23:44:41

Cherie Blair isn't bothered about people losing their homes. She cares more about the fact that landlords like her do not have to pay more tax on their 10 houses and 27 flats. Not very humanitarian.
www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/12/blairs-add-manchester-flats-to-property-empire-before-stamp-duty-deadline

www.theguardian.com/money/2016/oct/06/landlords-lose-legal-challenge-buy-to-let-tax-changes-cherie-booth

Jane10 Thu 15-Dec-16 07:05:28

On a personal level it sounds like Anniebach actually directly works to help the homeless herself so is rightly insulted by your comments Dj. Now back to genuine refugees...

Anya Thu 15-Dec-16 08:53:48

I helped at a homeless shelter for years. My job was to strip all the beds, wash the sheets and pillow cases, tumble them dry and remake the beds. I did this once or twice a week.

The 'management' changed and suddenly we volunteers were treated badly. But it wasn't that that made me pack it all in. No, it was a sarcastic and nasty remark from someone one GN, when I mentioned this in a thread, that was the final straw.

But as you say Jane back to refugees....

Jane10 Thu 15-Dec-16 09:11:14

Oh Anya. That's awful. I'm sorry to hear that but also surprised that GN had such power over you. What a loss to that homeless shelter. I hope you've found another outlet for your good nature. Don't let anything anyone says put you off.flowers

Anya Thu 15-Dec-16 09:14:16

As I said it was the final straw being sneered at by soapbox politicians who wouldn't touch a smelly sheet.

Yes, I now shovel up doggy does and clean out kennels at the local dog shelter grin

Jane10 Thu 15-Dec-16 11:00:46

Oh good. I'd like to say it sounds like fun but...
Anyway I bet you get to pat them and see lots of wagging tails!

Anya Thu 15-Dec-16 12:12:19

The best bits are those whose tails didn't wag at first but now do....no! On second thoughts it's when I come in and find one of my favourites have gone - to their forever home tchsmile

Jane10 Thu 15-Dec-16 12:48:52

Awwww!

Anniebach Thu 15-Dec-16 12:56:15

Anya, this may help, may not. I have had unpleasant comments , yes they hurt but I think for example of the comments made directly to the homeless, mentally ill etc , nothing compares to their hurt , so I can take it

Anya Thu 15-Dec-16 13:22:03

Exactly Annie especially when I have no feelings (bar contempt) for the person making the comment.

And let me add, that wasn't addressed to you. We've had our differences but you were woman enough to apologise when you mistook an unkind comment made by another poster (with a similar name to mine who doesn't post any more) for me.

very ungrammatical probably but you get my drift

Anniebach Thu 15-Dec-16 13:29:42

Let's not forget you accepted my apology Anya , that was such a relief

Anya Thu 15-Dec-16 13:33:16

How could I not when given so genuinely.

Anniebach Thu 15-Dec-16 13:52:45

smile thank you

durhamjen Thu 15-Dec-16 19:46:08

The year of the refugee, 2016.

www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2016/dec/2/seven-things-government-did-2016-devastate-lives-migrants-and-refugees

The wrong kind of refugee?

Luckylegs9 Fri 16-Dec-16 06:36:37

Durhamjen, how many spare rooms I have is not the point, I am not advocating taking the refugees into my home or anyone else's, if you want more refugees, you cannot just say we need more and not think about where you put them. If I were to campaign for that, I would put my money where my mouth isand take a family. That isn't a solution. I am no fan of Cherie Blair, no more than Amal Clooney. They gather houses like I do shoes. Russia and the president of Syria need to have the full weight of the rest of the worlds disgust at their barbarasism. That is all I will say on the subject. I know you are all well meaning and compassionate people and care as I do, but practically not remotely feasible for our small country to keep absorbing more and more people.

durhamjen Fri 16-Dec-16 10:35:51

You asked the question, Luckylegs.
"Then there is the man in the street, how many have one or two spare rooms?"
That's why I asked how many you had.
Is it the point or isn't it?

We are not absorbing any more people than other EU countries, and it's sad that some people think we do not have enough room for refugees fleeing atrocities.

Anniebach Fri 16-Dec-16 10:44:24

It's sad that some cannot understand many people's fears. One can understand even if one doesn't share the fears

durhamjen Fri 16-Dec-16 22:56:40

One can also show people that their fears are misplaced and based on false information.

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