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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

The wrong kind of refugee?

In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.

Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?

Barbara Fox

The wrong kind of refugee?

Posted on: Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

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Are today's refugees really any different?

When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.

Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.

Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.

On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?


Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.

The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.

Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.

Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.

Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.

When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.

By Barbara Fox

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Eloethan Thu 19-Jan-17 18:45:52

The situation in Germany that developed and which eventually led to genocide, didn't happen overnight. It happened by degrees. Firstly people were looking for reasons why they were suffering. Then they were encouraged to blame certain groups - the Jews, the gypsies, socialists and communists, those deemed to be racially impure, the physically ill and disabled, the "feeble minded", the "morally degenerate", etc. etc. The mutterings of resentment and blame became louder and these groups came to be seen as people "not like us" - crafty, grasping, manipulative, a malign force and a burden on society. These feelings were put into action through discriminatory treatment at work and at school, leading to actual expulsion, and then to acts of vandalism and violence, which eventually culminated in people being loaded into trains and sent to their deaths.

I expect that, had you told the average German person some years before that the majority of them would one day either actively engage in these acts of hatred or would stand by and let them happen, they would have thought the suggestion ridiculous.

whitewave Thu 19-Jan-17 18:47:59

eloethan my worry too.

Welshwife Thu 19-Jan-17 19:00:39

Turkey is a large area but not really a rich country and neither is Greece who also have a huge number of refugees - Who is financing the cost of looking after these people? Should every country contribute to a fund or is the UN able to help with this from funds they have - does anyone know?

whitewave Thu 19-Jan-17 19:03:58

That is my argument welshwife

durhamjen Thu 19-Jan-17 19:18:25

Eloethan and whitewave, not allowed to mention the war.
Such a shame Boris forgot that.

durhamjen Thu 19-Jan-17 19:27:38

All those on here who do not want refugees here say that they should stay in places like Turkey or Greece.
In which case they should want us to pay those countries to keep them there.
I am not sure about them wanting refugees to stay in Turkey, just over the border from Syria. There is still fighting in the border towns.

rosesarered Thu 19-Jan-17 20:03:20

Yes, all the EU countries should be contributing.I think that the UK has and still is paying large amounts to help pay for things in the camps.Greece in particular should have had EU help from the start.The camps in Turkey are about 20 miles from the border,and being close to home is better for the Syrians , a lot of them will want to go home as soon as they can, and food, culture and customs and religion similar there too.

rosesarered Thu 19-Jan-17 20:08:35

Although Syria is in a state of chaos, and all the media show are ruins, it isn't all like that at all, some towns are whole, some in ruins, others half and half.In many places people are shopping and driving around and carrying on more or less as normal.
Once peace has been agreed the people living in camps in Turkey wil want to return, just as we would, it's their home.

Mair Thu 19-Jan-17 21:07:58

Roses said:

Yes, all the EU countries should be contributing.I think that the UK has and still is paying large amounts to help pay for things in the camps.

Britain has contributed way more than any other EU country. But it shouldnt be the EUs responsibility alone, rich Muslim countries, Saudi in particular should contribute.

JessM Thu 26-Jan-17 07:09:24

The stories of refugee mothers who are stuck in Greece. Impressive photographs. www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2017/01/syria-greece-refugees-mothers-pregnancy/

grannypiper Thu 26-Jan-17 08:37:56

JessM i dont understand what you mean by stuck in Greece. They are safe, have somewhere to lay their heads, food and medical care. Surely when they fled the Middle East, it was to go to the first place of safety ? so to be stuck sounds like they cant continue with their travel itinerary and never planned to just get to safety

JessM Thu 26-Jan-17 09:11:43

Grannypiper these are not necessarily safe, cosy places with good healthcare for them or their children. They may be alone, without a lock on their door. The weather has been extremely cold in parts of Greece and is extremely hot in the summer. They may be in military-run camps in the middle of nowhere with no handy doctors or hospitals. The borders are closed so they cannot join relatives elsewhere in Europe. They cannot go back to Syria.
www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/rrdp-women-fear-violence-rape-refugee-camps-170123180556027.html
www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/25/cold-weather-reignites-fears-refugees-poorly-sheltered-greece
www.doctorswithoutborders.org/country-region/greece

Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 11:41:54

The weather has been extremely cold in parts of Greece

For a few days they had an atypically cold snap

and is extremely hot in the summer

Less hot than Syria.

They may be in military-run camps in the middle of nowhere with no handy doctors or hospitals

Nothing more than wild speculation. Most seem to be near towns with doctors and hospitals, and foreign charities also helping.

The borders are closed so they cannot join relatives elsewhere in Europe

They need to apply through the proper channels if they genuinly have family who will welcome them and their relatives shoul approach the authorities in their countries to do what they can to assist.

The solution is not to pull down borders, which just lets everyone in, entitled or not! Youre all heart JessM.confused

rosesarered Thu 26-Jan-17 11:50:23

Whilst everbody recognises that living in camps is not the ideal....the ideal cannot be provided for all, and the camps ( according to reports) do have access to healthcare and proper food.They have left a war torn country, now they are in a place where they won't be shelled/shot/poisoned by their own Leader/Russians/ Daesh.Whenever there is a resolution to this mess, they will want to go back.

Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 11:51:18

www.accuweather.com/en/gr/greece-weather

A lot warmer than Britain Germany and Sweden where many of these migrants intend to settle.

rosesarered Thu 26-Jan-17 11:53:42

I do understand that women, without a man to protect the family, fear rape ( from their own countrymen) and hope that they feel able to talk to camp staff/helpers/charities about it.

Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 12:00:09

Whenever there is a resolution to this mess, they will want to go back.
Unfortunately they wont want to go back. Once in Europe they will fight to stay! Most people in poor countries wish to relocate to the West, and unfortunately for us, especially to English speaking countries.

whitewave Thu 26-Jan-17 12:44:57

mair a lot of assumptions and generalisations and divisive language.

Joelsnan Thu 26-Jan-17 13:11:18

A large percentage of the populations of the Far East, Middle East and Africa have a distorted utopian view of the west reinforced by images on tv, given the opportunity vast numbers would and indeed are trying to migrate towards these country's. Previous world conflicts have not resulted in the mass movement we see today. Syria is dreadful however we should not forget that this is a civil war, yes, supported on each side by external influences however,fighting is polarised in specific areas of this quite large country. When the UK was being bombarded during the Second World War, most stayed and carried on working, some evacuated to safer parts of the country and a few, particularly children under working age were evacuated to the colonies to repatriate when safe.
It would be interesting to understand What made Brits and majority Europeans different in 2nd world war because they largely stayed put and kept some semblance of normality throughout those truly grim days, the only recent mass movement was a result of ethnic cleansing in the Baltic region.
I wonder if our friendly 'media' have created this phenomena firstly through glitzy tv programs encouraging people to move and secondly for playing on people's heart strings by showing the worst of worst conditions?

Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 13:17:28

Good post Joelsnan.

Just on point, it was almost solely the well off who's children were evacuated overseas most were simply moved to rural areas such as Wales and the West country.

Jalima Thu 26-Jan-17 13:54:00

This was in another post Mair (could be this thread, could be another) where I mentioned that thousands upon thousands more children were to be evacuated by the government under the CORB scheme to Canada etc from the UK in WW2 but it came to a halt when a U boat capsized a second ship carrying children to Canada.

At its height the C.O.R.B. employed some 620 staff.

The second incident, which led to the cancellation of the program, occurred 17 September 1940, when the evacuation ship SS City of Benares (Ellerman Lines) carrying 90 children bound for homes in Canada, was torpedoed and sunk. She had left Liverpool on 13 September for Quebec and Montreal. She was in convoy OB-213 with 19 other ships and was 253 miles west-southwest of Rockall, with the Atlantic weather getting worse and the ship sailing slowly. City of Benares was the flagship of the Convoy Commodore, and was leading the convoy. At around 11.45pm she was attacked by U-48 with two torpedoes but they missed. A second torpedo attack just after midnight hit the ship. She was abandoned and sank within 30 minutes. The British destroyer HMS Hurricane picked up 105 survivors and landed them at Greenock. 42 survivors were left adrift in a lifeboat for eight days, until being picked up by HMS Anthony and also landed at Greenock. The ship's master, the commodore, three staff members, 121 crew members and 134 passengers were lost. 77 of the 90 CORB children died in the sinking
This event brought the evacuation programme to a halt

Perhaps you didn't see my previous post which was in response to one of yours about only the rich children being evacuated.

Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 14:29:30

Yes I did read that and accept your point but the numbers were tiny compared to the over a million evacuated within Britain.
How many rich people like Shirley Williams parents made private arrangements to send them abroad I do not know.

grannypiper Thu 26-Jan-17 15:54:41

joelsnan Great post, the voice of reason.

JessM Thu 26-Jan-17 16:23:30

Interesting Joel's Nan. Of course it was not a civil war back in the 1940s Most of the UK was not being bombed - only those living in the centre of industrial towns and ports. And there was no on-the-ground fighting. And no ISIS running round intimidating young men to join them. The country was well organised and generally unified.
My grandmother was caught up in the blitz and was terrified - but she was poor and she would not have had the resources to up sticks and move to America. Even if she had, the fear of the well-publicised U Boat attacks in the Atlantic might well have deterred her. But she did eventually move to the edge of the town rather than living a mile from the docks.
There is an interesting tendency amongst some to "victim blame" those caught up in the Syrian war. Of course we cannot help them all but we can, surely, have some human compassion for those stuck in Syria in fear of their lives, for those living in dead-end camps in Turkey and Lebanon (no hope of jobs, no hope of getting home, few educational opportunities for their children etc) and for those who tried to travel in other directions. Motivated as they were by fear and by the desire to improve their lot and that of their children and babies.
I ask myself what my son and his wife might do in such circumstances.
I could easily get despondent about human nature reading some of the posts on here. I have to keep reminding myself that there are many kind and generous people who do have compassion and do want to help. We have had just 3 families settled in our area. There are a couple more on the way shortly and the response to an appeal to provide them with the basics to set up in a new home was swift and comprehensive.

whitewave Thu 26-Jan-17 17:06:34

Excellent post jess

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