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Trollope and James

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annodomini Sun 21-Jul-13 11:23:34

Ariadne, I couldn't agree more. I like Trollope because he is a great story teller; his characters are well filled out: the sympathetic ones have their drawbacks and the 'baddies' often have a superficially attractive side. His ecclesiastical and political themes resonate with us even now. His style of presentation is discursive. He may well meander off into a discussion of a political or ecclesiastical matter. If you aren't interested, you can, if you wish, 'skip' these without detracting much from the basic story and I'm sure some readers do this. James's early novels such as The Portrait of a Lady and Washington Square are, in my opinion, his most accessible works. The style of his later novels - the Ambassadors, for example - is so convoluted in sentence structure that, as a student, I found reading them to be a tortuous (maybe also torturous) task. I don't feel like repeating the experience now.

Ariadne Sun 21-Jul-13 11:17:07

I agree, henetha - but you do have to be careful with "Jude the Obscure" - I find it leads to real melancholy. "The worthy encompassed by the inevitable" was Hardy's definition of tragedy, and in no other book is it more true. Well, except for "Tess"!

henetha Sun 21-Jul-13 11:11:09

re Thomas Hardy... His 'Mayor of Casterbridge' is wonderful.
Dickens takes some beating though... what genius.

Ariadne Sun 21-Jul-13 02:19:34

Greatnan I agree with you about Trollope and James. And I love Dickens and Hardy too. But Jane Austen is still my favourite!

Greatnan Sat 20-Jul-13 23:51:39

Jingle - wash your mouth out! How dare you say one word against Jane Austen! grin And I don't just read her for her plots, which I know off by heart, but for her lovely ironic turn of phrase. What a tragedy that she died so young.
Most novelists vary somewhat in the quality of their writing, and certainly Northanger Abbey is lightweight compared to P & P, but still very amusing. Thomas Hardy wrote some stinkers, but rose to great heights with Tess.

j08 Sat 20-Jul-13 23:15:10

Why do you need it to be elegant? Surely it's the stories that count. I read Trollope in my twenties and thoroughly enjoyed them. But I wouldn't want to read it now. Same with Jane Austen. You read that stuff when you are young.

j08 Sat 20-Jul-13 23:03:56

Just read Game of Thrones. You won't look back.

feetlebaum Sat 20-Jul-13 22:56:18

I love all six of the Barchester novels - and other Trollope books as well. The Way We Live Now is interesting, as Trollope based it on the same real-life character, and his eventual end, as Dickens's Mr Merdle in Little Dorrit.

Greatnan Sat 20-Jul-13 22:16:59

You sent me back to my two copies, Bags, and I remain of the same opinion. I love Trollope's irony and find James too verbose. Each to his own!

Bags Sat 20-Jul-13 21:20:48

I downloaded a free kindle copy of The Warden by Anthony Trollope and I've read (re-read since I started this book before but gave up) the first chapter.

My memory of Henry James's style in Portrait of a Lady was that James's writing (at least in that book) is several orders of magnitude more elegant. So I read the first few pages Portrait again too.

I was right. It is much more elegant prose.

Beats me how other people don't seem to see it. However, I shall persevere with The Warden for a while in the hope that the story isn't as stodgy as the prose since thereseem to be so many Trollope fans on GN and I wouldn't like to miss out on a good story.

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