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November book club - Bitter by Francesca Jakobi

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CariGransnet (GNHQ) Mon 05-Nov-18 11:27:29

Winners of our free copies of Bitter (more info HERE should be receiving their copies any time.

A reminder that if you do get one you will need to leave your thoughts and questions for Francesca on this thread...we usually say by the end of the month but we can run this a little longer this time round, so first week of December is fine.

cornergran Wed 28-Nov-18 08:59:08

Finished this book yesterday evening and was captivated by the layers of complexity in Gilda. Her naivety, sense of being the odd one out, her life largely controlled by the needs of others, particularly men, loneliness, depression, alcohol dependence and a fearful love for her son. I quickly warmed to her if not to her behaviour.

Manipulated into teaching it seemed Gilda was able to understand her pupils and they her, I sensed an acceptance she had not found before. As the story unfolded Alice and Margo became real, pulling and pushing Gilda onwards. I felt the characterisation was subtly done, their place in the book essential. Reuben was also of course impacted by his upbringing. While I had huge sympathy for the lost boy and troubled teenager I was often irritated by the adult. To me the photo for Berta was a huge step forward, an acknowledgement of Gilda’s newly found understanding and a platform for the next stage in her relationships.

As others have said it did seem odd that Alice and Reuben appeared not to notice an intrusion into their home, I also wondered if Gilda’s ‘lurking’ at their home as well as inside and outside of Alice’s workplace could really have gone unnoticed. No matter, the book remained hugely enjoyable.

Thank you to both GN and the author, I’ve struggled to find questions as the conversation section answered most. I would be interested to learn how the author viewed the apparent lack of noticing of Gilda’s intrusions and also how interpretations of Gilda’s motivation when sending the photo to Berta sit with her intent in including it.

granh1 Tue 27-Nov-18 19:53:49

Thank you for the book. Unfortunately it arrived just after I had gone on holiday, and I have only got back today. I will read and comment on it as soon as possible.

mrsking64 Tue 27-Nov-18 17:02:44

I thought this was clever writing. Over the course of the book I also changed from actively disliking Gilda to at least understanding why she is such a troubled, flawed character and rushing through the last few chapters wanting some resolution for her.
The short punchy chapters, flicking between the timelines are very effective in building tension.
I found the ending satisfying; I liked the grown up conversation with Reuben about trusting Alice, and the photo-gift when she takes back a part of Reuben by laying claim to being his mother without damaging his relationship with his father, something we were convinced the old Gilda would have done.
Questions for Francesca:
I am interested in the writing process - was it written as it reads or as separate scenes/threads, crafted together at the end? I liked how eg. the yellow cups make several appearances.
Also: did you approach an agent with an idea or a fully early-drafted novel?
Thank you for an interesting read.

Pittcity Mon 26-Nov-18 23:34:05

I really enjoyed this book. I didn't grow to like Gilda but do see that she was a victim of circumstance. Her arranged marriage was doomed to fail and, after we found out about Berta, reminded me of the Prince Charles, Diana and Camilla story.
The one person I did like was Alice and I hope things turned out well for her, Reuben and the baby.

Harris27 Mon 26-Nov-18 10:44:19

Loved this book and couldn't put it down . As others warmed to gild a as events unfolded. Would recommend for a cold winter evening! Definitely page turner.

Greenfinch Mon 26-Nov-18 10:28:42

I really enjoyed this book. The characterisation was superb, the storyline was clear and there was no difficulty moving between eras.
I loved the short paragraphs which meant you could pick up the book while waiting for the kettle to boil to see how Gilda was getting on. She was a complex character and like many people in the everyday life,I found her neither likeable nor unlikeable but her life history was interesting. The characters were all so different: Alice was a dear and Reuben the opposite.

My question is only a small one :why did you have Gilda teaching English ?I know she met Leo through that but she seemed so unsuitable to be a teacher both personality-wise and confidence wise.

Altogether a very good read. Please let us have some more along those lines.

Grannyknot Sun 25-Nov-18 19:28:41

silverdragon me too ... I wondered about the fact that no mention was made again of someone having been in the house!

Miriam Sun 25-Nov-18 16:27:51

Bitter was such an enjoyable read, it was hard to put it down and with the short chapters I kept wanting to read on. At first Gilda did not come over as a particularly nice person but as the story progressed a lot of it was to do with her upbringing and her immaturity. Once we found out about her misunderstanding I really wanted Reuben to warm to her but understand how much damage was done after all those years. The book also captured the flavour of the times perfectly - I was there!

I would like to ask Francesca Jakobi if she has children of her own and how would she react if there was a rift due to a misunderstanding.

I look forward to more from this writer.

silverdragon Fri 23-Nov-18 20:31:16

Thanks for sending a copy. I really enjoyed this. Short chapters are not something I normally like but in Bitter they were perfect. I thought the characterisation was superb, and as we learnt more of Gilda's background we come to understand and certainly sympathise with her. The only thing I didn't quite get was why there was no reaction when she tidied the bed in her son's house. I was waiting, anticipating the son & d-in-law talking about mysterious intruders. As a first novel it really hit the mark, and I look forward to more from Jakobi.

Grannyknot Thu 22-Nov-18 18:15:20

MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS

I loved this book, I can't remember when last I enjoyed reading a book so much. Thanks Gransnet and thanks Francesca Jakobi.

I liked the succinct, concise chapters, perfect for reading in short bursts.

I didn't really like Gilda, not at first and not in the end. But I could accept why she behaved like she did.

Re GeminiJen's observation - I didn't interpret Gilda's final act as being selfless, because she sends a photograph with her in it and writes "Consider it a symbol of our mutual understanding" - in other words (I thought), I won't say anything about your letter as long as I see this photograph up the next time I visit your house. Please could the author clarify?

oldbatty Wed 21-Nov-18 20:48:29

I loved this book so much.

GeminiJen Wed 21-Nov-18 20:46:44

Thanks GN and Francesca Jakobi. Another excellent debut novel flowers
I read this in two sittings. Its short chapters made it a pacey read. That said, I’ve taken a few days to let it all settle. For Bitter is a powerful, thought provoking read, sharply observed, definitely a book to linger over.
For me, one of the real strengths of this novel is the way in which Jakobi uses the first person narrative to present a profoundly moving, melancholic, perceptive and complex psychological portrait of the self destructive, lonely and dysfunctional Gilda. Through her own distinctive voice, Gilda is exposed initially as brittle, insensitive, snobbish and judgemental at times, with only one friend. As the narrative unfolds however, and the author reveals the pain and horrors lurking in Gilda's personal history, we see her vulnerability and experience a shift towards a more empathetic response. I love character complexity of this kind. Despite Gilda’s dangerous obsession with Reuben and Alice, she is entirely redeemed by her completely selfless act towards the end. It is this, and the humanity and compassion in Alice, with her ability to see beyond the brittle and unsettling facade Gilda presents to the world, which ultimately offers hope.
This is a moving and subtle novel. I loved it and look forward to reading more from Francesca Jakobi.
My questions for the author were largely answered in the In Conversation section at the end, especially the issue of the unlikeable protagonist. Thanks for this section. You mention that you’re currently writing a second novel, also with a strong central character. Can you tell us more?

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callgirl1 Mon 19-Nov-18 17:22:15

At first I didn`t think I was going to like the book. I felt such utter dislike for Gilda, but then the dislike gradually changed, firstly to impatience, then to sympathy. I ended up enjoying it immensely, thank you GN.

gillyknits Mon 19-Nov-18 14:33:40

Loved this book. To start with Gilda seems like a really unpleasant and interfering mother, but as the story goes on you start to feel that there is a good reason why she is so embittered and by the end you feel total sympathy for what she has endured in her life. Great characterisation and a true picture of the war and post war years and attitudes to women.

sangie Mon 19-Nov-18 14:09:13

I absolutely loved this book. My feelings about Gertie changed so much as the events became more clear. I think it is a wonderful portrait of the period and of how women were viewed and treated. My question for Francesca is this, I saw somewhere, possibly on social media, that the idea for the book came from your own grandmother and would like to know more about this please?

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Mon 19-Nov-18 14:05:36

Glad you enjoyed mbody - do add any questions here too (that bit is for anyone with a copy!)

mbody Thu 15-Nov-18 15:40:17

Read the book in almost one sitting. It’s fast paced, well written and it held my interest to the end. Very thought provoking too.

callgirl1 Thu 15-Nov-18 00:10:38

Mine arrived this morning, will be starting it as soon as I finish my current book, thank you.

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 14-Nov-18 17:22:00

Oh good! Look forward to hearing what you think - and any questions for Francesca

cornergran Wed 14-Nov-18 17:17:56

Thank you GN. My copy arrived today. Looking forward to a quiet read.

knickas63 Wed 14-Nov-18 15:08:06

My copy has just arrived! Thrilled! I never win anything! Thank you.

Pittcity Wed 14-Nov-18 15:05:33

My question worked then. Mine has arrived too grin

joannapiano Wed 14-Nov-18 14:25:11

Thank you for my copy. Will start reading tonight.

Miriam Wed 14-Nov-18 14:00:28

Thank you, my copy of Bitter arrived today, I will start it tomorrow as nearly finished my current book. Looking forward to reading it.