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Is hoisting a nursing need in a care home?

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loopy007 Wed 05-Mar-25 07:24:43

Marilla

Your mum was bedridden at home and required a live in carer and is now receiving care in a Nursing home. I’m not quite sure what your concern is re the hoist. It is used to keep your mum safe and the staff.
Regarding moving to a ground floor room, are you thinking she might have more access to other residents and activities?
Doesn’t the home have a lift?

Sorry I didn't put the question very well. I have no concerns over hoisting, my question was is hoisting a nursing need and if not would my mother be able to move to a residential floor and still be hoisted. The home has a lift and I think she would benefit from more social interaction on the residential ground floor. She does not have any other nursing needs as the catheter she went in with was removed 3 weeks ago.
The background was that my mother had live in care for 2.5 years at home, she became bedridden less than 3 days before she was admitted to the nursing home, prior to that she had been mobile. The health care professionals recommended hospital admission or a care home, we chose care home as being in her best interests and keeping her safe. Her condition has improved since she has been in the care home (no cathether) although she still cannot walk.
I have made enquiries of several other care homes who all say that hoisting is not a nursing need, so now that I know that I will contact her care home and discuss.

loopy007 Wed 05-Mar-25 07:18:00

Sorry I didn't put the question very well. I know that she will need hoisting wherever she is, my question was does hoisting = a nursing need, or could she move to the ground floor residential and still be hoisted.

dalrymple23 Tue 04-Mar-25 15:01:22

Definitely a care need, rather than a nursing need. I used to be a community carer and we used all kinds of hoists on a daily basis. Training/instruction was, of course, given by the care company and I would expect the residential home to give similar training to its carers. Generally speaking, nurses are not trained to use hoists (neither are paramedics, by the way). They are also not trained in the correct use of incontinence pads. I have witnessed them in action!!!

Jaxjacky Tue 04-Mar-25 14:13:41

I understand your concerns with sociability, as suggested you need to have a chat with the manager.

Davida1968 Tue 04-Mar-25 14:11:23

From my own experience of visiting a relative in a care home, I'd say yes, "hoisting" can be undertaken (as needed) in a in care home. My advice is to ask if you're not sure in a specific care home.

Rosie51 Tue 04-Mar-25 14:05:51

Unless I'm misunderstanding Flower is wondering if hoisting is a nursing need that would prevent a move to the ground floor (residential) for her mother. If hoisting is a care need then there would not be a barrier to such a move, which sounds as if it would benefit her mother's potential social activity. Flower your best path is to ask the home, only they can advise their position on this. Best wishes for a positive outcome.

Marilla Tue 04-Mar-25 13:56:40

Your mum was bedridden at home and required a live in carer and is now receiving care in a Nursing home. I’m not quite sure what your concern is re the hoist. It is used to keep your mum safe and the staff.
Regarding moving to a ground floor room, are you thinking she might have more access to other residents and activities?
Doesn’t the home have a lift?

Visgir1 Tue 04-Mar-25 13:54:34

It's a H&S issue for staff and mum. If she was being nursed at home, and she needed a hoist they would get one in.

keepingquiet Tue 04-Mar-25 13:48:20

Yes, hoisting is both. Lifting incorrectly harms both patients and staff- so using a hoist eliminates accidents that would compromise insurance etc for both users and care companies. How would being in the ground floor eliminate the need for a hoist?

Aldom Tue 04-Mar-25 13:12:23

I've just Googled this question and the advice is that generally speaking, hoisting is a care need, unless the patient's situation/symptoms dictate otherwise.

Lathyrus3 Tue 04-Mar-25 12:59:21

I’d just ask anyway, if there are hoists in the Care section. If they don’t think it’s suitable they can tell you why and you then won’t have to be anxious about what is best for her.

Be aware that any payment she’s receiving to cover medical needs will almost certainly stop if she changes placement.

Flower007 Tue 04-Mar-25 12:54:32

Mum is 90 and has been in a care home for the past nearly 5 weeks. Overall she hates it, but we know it is early days.
At the end of January the options we had were a hospital admission or 24 hour nursing home admission. The home we selected was at the high end price wise, but they could take Mum within 24 hours (at the time she was bedridden at home with a live in carer) and had a catheter. She had also previously viewed the home so knew what it was like.
There have been a few teething problems but the Home Manager has been responsive and has sorted them out.
Since being in the home, the catheter has been removed and although she cannot walk, she is being hoisted using a standing hoist. There are no actual nursing needs required now the catheter has gone, unless the hoist is counted as a nursing need? She obviously needs to be hoisted to use the commode.
The other residents on Mum's floor are quite poorly and mainly stay in their rooms. Although Mum has heart failure, etc., this is all controlled by medication and has been for the last 2 or 3 years. Mentally she is really switched on and this makes her situation now harder I think.
My question is, does anyone know if hoisting is a nursing need or a care need. If it's a care need would be be justified in asking the home if she could move to the ground floor which is residential care?