masturbation?

I'm the mother of sons, no daughters, but I've just remembered those long long showers they always took

As to the original question about the double standard: the way i remember it, out parents implied that boys were uncontrollable randy creatures, and that was just nature. But girls, well, sex was something to be avoided at all costs when single, and endured when married. Girls who enjoyed it were bad or weak. If they had sex outside of marriage they were 'giving in' to the boy, and being incredibly stupid.

This double standard ensured that girls never discussed masturbation with their friends.

There are still double standards, lots of articles were published in the 50s and 60s such as j-walk.com/other/goodwife/images/goodwifeguide.gif but nothing for 'The Successful Male Lover.' I believe some men thought they knew it all anyway and didn't need any guidance. I remember years ago a man discussing how he did not know women had orgasms too. It was very hard not to smile. He had been married for seven years, I guess they had communication problems amongst other things.

..at least she didn't have to pretend.....

I loved the scene in 'When Harry met Sally' where she faked an orgasm. Most women in the cinema laughed out loud but the men looked a bit taken aback!
The biggest sexual organ is the brain - most people have their favourite fantasies but some women feel guilty if they do not include their OH. As long as he never knows that you are picturing George Clooney, it will be quite all right! After all, he may be thinking of Cheryl Cole!

Did you known that car manufacturers have a new model? They have combined the Clio and the Taurus to create the Clitaurus.

This model is specifically for women, and its security advantages are:

Few men will be able to find it
And fewer will know how to start it up if they do!

If they do find out how to start it up they will add a secure lock and a loud alarm.

Elegran

I think last time it was researched the majority of women could not have an orgasm just by intercourse. Has to do with anatomy.

I must be the exception that proves the rule!

Anatomy and the evolution of the female human reproductive anatomy since we stood up. Elaine Morgan's explanation makes perfect sense. Can't remember whether it's in The Descent of Woman or The Scars of Evolution. Possibly both.

Well lucky you "nanachrissy" - you are I think not an exception but in the minority.
Elaine Morgan always made a lot of sense, but such things are speculative. Any experts on mammalian genitalia in the house...

Only an expert on my own. I have always been doubtful about anyone having a vaginal orgasm (yes I read Elaine Morgan too) - maybe some are lucky!

I once managed to get my (long ex...) husband to do the right thing for me - and guess what, he refused to repeat it.
One of my - private - reasons for divorce. Hope this isn't TMI!

I'm an exception too!
Can't imagine why anyone would bother to have sex with someone who did not have any consideration for their needs - rather misses the point of the exercise. Better not to bother really. Who are these strange men? - they are outside of my experience. My experience is that they are turned on by women's enjoyment, so it is a win-win.
I do not think that I am in the minority, not if my friends are anything to go by.
Frankly I used to be able to think myself into an orgasm using nothing but the mind! Had to remember not to think about sex when travelling by bus!!!!

Me too, Mishap....my imagination is beginning to fade a bit now! Perhaps I should have kept taking the HRT!
I have read letters in advice columns where one partner thinks the other is under-sexed or over-sexed. Of course, if one wants to have intercourse twice a day, and the other once a week, there will be some difficulties, but in fact both are 'normal'. It may be easier for a woman to accommodate the needs of a man more than vice versa, but if the man really wants to please his partner, there is more than one way of skinning a cat.
My sister's husband accused her of being frigid because she did not respond to his 30 seconds of foreplay, and his even quicker finish. When she left him and found a man she loved, she discovered her own capacity for sexual pleasure was huge. Guess what her husband had told her she 'needed' - refer to the other thread on racism!

Not many men joined this discussion so I'll add my two pennies worth, it's said that 98% of men and 70% of women masturbate, so we're in the majority in that department. I've never met a man who wanted to talk about it to another man ( I'm happy to say) but I'm sure that most men would be delighted to chat about it with a member of the opposite sex, especially if she was helping out, as most of us would prefer a little company.

Women can be soft-heartened creatures, often willing to listen to another person's woes, so they might well agree to listen to a man talking about his sexual problems. But to expect them to do the housework as well takes the biscuit!

petallus do you mean both at once?

Talking and doing the housework at the same time? sounds like a niche market there?!

I can't help wondering how they – whoever they are – conduct the research that results in a conclusion such as "the majority of women could not have an orgasm just by intercourse". What do they mean by intercourse – presumably penetrative sex but are we talking pure missionary here? Is it all strictly hands off? Are you allowed to talk to each other? It's pretty meaningless and doesn't seem to relate much to how things are in real life. How do they know that a woman being interviewed is telling the truth or do they conduct their trials in a laboratory. I should think that would result in the conclusion that the the majority of women could not have an orgasm while having intercourse and simultaneously being watched by a scientist with a clipboard and stop watch.

And those who can are not exactly a representative sample.

I can't remember

absentgran some women/people might even find the clipboard scenario you describe extra exciting. There's nowt so queer as folk, as they say!

This thread has been running since December.

From Greatnan "The clitoris is not the little button that protrudes - it is quite a large organ which has been much neglected and misunderstood because most of it is buried."

Didn't that just about knock it on the head for everybody?!

Eh!