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The song 'Imagine'

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imjingl Thu 03-May-12 09:20:53

I think this song is one of those pop songs that sound very dreamy, and even 'worthy' on the surface, but in fact has no substance whatsoever when relating it to real life.

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace..."

Yes. Imagine. Because that's all it would ever be without people and politicians putting in real time and effort to change things.

"I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one."

Join you where John? In bed with Yoko? 'Only sleeping'?

(I started a new thread for this, apart from my Hymns thread. smile

imjingl Fri 04-May-12 18:15:39

Yes. How did they come to write Eleanor Rigby?

How could they know so much, so young!

crimson Fri 04-May-12 18:18:01

Whenim64; it's a really interesting book, isn't it [The Keith Richards one]. I read it when I'm looking after my grandson a couple of times a week, and find I can just dip into it and read a chapter completely out of sequence. I love the way he talks about music; how he learned so much from black musicians in the States in the early years..and how he talks about how he will play till the day he dies because he has to. I know it's dim of me, but I'd never realised how influential he was in the band. Remember the bit where he said they and the Beatles used to let each other know when they were releasing a single so they could take it in turns to be number one, and how John Lennon 'gave' him 'I Wanna be your man', realising that it was more of a Stones song than a Beatles one, and they'd do very nicely thank you very much with the royalties.Do you think it's all in his own words because it's very eloquent and well put together? We used to hear about Ronnie Wood when we used to stay in Ireland, because his house was just outside Naas, up the road from where we stayed b&b. absent; I loved The Yardbirds; had such a crush on Keith Relf. Still get their 'best of' cd out and have a quick blast.

crimson Fri 04-May-12 18:20:41

I think, jings, that anyone that does something really great does it when they're really young. But, I see what you mean...I've often referred to my 'Eleanor Rigby' face, especially during 'the divorce years'.

whenim64 Fri 04-May-12 18:52:39

crimson I think Keith Richards is an eloquent man but the way he expresses himself verbally is bizarre - he does make me laugh, though. I remember him refusing to play at a concert for Princess Diana - 'dont know the chick, man!' His autobiography was written by him, with help from James Fox. I gather it was his own words, but some heavy proof-reading needed.

When we visited Memphis and went along Beale Street, where BB King and Eric Clapton often get together in BB's club, Keith Richards is revered as a brilliant musician. He is extremely knowledgeable about southern soul music.

Those 60s groups who changed the face of music for us teenagers in those days were fantastic. I saw the Yardbirds and many others at the Twisted Wheel in Manchester - that was the equivalent of places like the Crawdaddy and Eel Pie Island. How I would love to have been in nanaej's neck of the woods in those days - so exciting! smile

Anagram Fri 04-May-12 19:04:28

Oh, I remember the Twisted Wheel, whenim! We also used to go to the Magic Village - a bit of a dive, but such an atmosphere! Those were the days...smile

imjingl Fri 04-May-12 19:19:23

I think this is the first real pop song I can remember. Anyone else remember it?

johnnieray

whenim64 Fri 04-May-12 19:26:00

Now you've got me started Anagram! I remember the Magic Village - I only went a couple of times, think I got diverted by a new boyfriend.

Here's a great link - there's loads about the 60s Manchester Clubs on this website:

www.manchesterbeat.com/venues/manchester_cbd/magicvillage/magicvillage.php

imjingl Fri 04-May-12 19:28:55

envy

I wish I'd been a bit more northern.

Greatnan Fri 04-May-12 19:35:25

I remember Johnny Ray and 'Cry' very well - in fact, it is on one of my many CDs of 50's and 60''s hits. My first record was Blue Moon by Elvis and my dad sat on it - he said it was an accident. He used to make us listen to The Palm Court Orchestra on Sunday evenings, but my sister and I would listen to Top Twenty from Radio Luxenbourg (208) when our parents were in bed. We kept detailed records for a couple of years.
I like The Carpenters, but it makes me sad to hear Karen singing 'We've only just begun', knowing she died so young of anorexia.

imjingl Fri 04-May-12 19:39:22

grin I expect it was an accident! grin

Radio Luxembourg was so hard to tune in!

(I thought you'd remember the Johnnie Ray one Greatnan) smile

Annobel Fri 04-May-12 20:13:17

In my first two years of teaching, I had to listen to Radio Luxembourg on a Sunday night so that I could keep up with the pupils who would always try to catch me out about the latest hits.

Anagram Fri 04-May-12 20:13:20

Thanks for that link, whenim! Yes, I remember many of those names - Roger Eagle actually moved to Llanfairechan in North Wales, where he died, sadly, a few years ago. I went out with Mark Stone briefly! And I knew Julie(t) Begley very well...her sister and I went to school together. Gosh, how young we were shock

whenim64 Fri 04-May-12 20:21:25

What every teenager dreamed of Anagram - pulling the guitarist!! grin

nanaej Sat 05-May-12 16:47:41

anagram and we still are..at least on the inside! It is always a suprise to me when a musician I have lusted after liked appears on TV and he is old..how did that happen! confused

Greatnan Sat 05-May-12 19:01:03

The Rolling Stones haven't changed very much - they always looked ancient!
I got a shock when I watched a repeat of Morse and saw how young Kevin Whately was when it began. Somebody remarked on TV that the 60's were nearer to the First World War than they are to the present day!

Jams Sat 05-May-12 19:05:44

And I thought I was the only person alive who can't stand this drivel!!

nannym Sat 05-May-12 19:09:47

greatnan, your comment about people not romanticising the place they have left as "If it was that bloody good they would never have left." seems rather unkind. My brother in law talks longingly about his home town of Belfast but even after 30 years would not consider going back there to live. As a Catholic who served in HM Forces it is just not worth the risk, not just to himself, but my sister too. People there have long memories. Please don't tar everyone with the same brush.

whenim64 Sat 05-May-12 19:23:05

Are we talking about the same Rolling Stones? In the 60s, they were fresh-faced boys who now look quite conservative in their dress and demeanour when we look back. I saw them several times when they were in their 20s and they never looked ancient. They do now, but that because they are the same age as our generation.

www.cameronward.com/commentaries/rolling-stones-the-photo-xxl-the-rolling-stones-6214887.jpg

Anagram Sat 05-May-12 19:26:08

I always thought Mick Jagger had a wrinkly kind of face, even in his youth, but when you see the others - even Keith looks like a schoolboy....(sigh!)

jeni Sat 05-May-12 19:29:00

Reminded me of a pug!

Anagram Sat 05-May-12 19:38:58

grin

glammanana Sat 05-May-12 19:44:08

jeni pugs are adorable much more attractive than Mick Jagger.

nanaej Sat 05-May-12 19:44:16

jeni misread thought you'd put plug! Anyone do Isle of Wight...Jimi Hendrix?

Anagram Sat 05-May-12 19:48:15

Yes, me! Although we were too poor to buy tickets on the hillside and he was a bit of a pink blur!

Pennysue Sat 05-May-12 20:09:59

My Dad aged 12 was strafed in an Essex field, aged 15 helped dig his first girlfriend out of a bombed building in the east end , she was dead. Obviously saw many other "horrors" at that time.

Interestingly some 20 years after the war one of his best buddies was a German Prisoner of war who had married a local girl and stayed in England.

Later, before the "Troubles", my parents moved to Northern Ireland where the company Dad worked for had built a new factory.

My parents were in NI for 15 years during some of the worst of the "troubles". Any religion they may have had disappeared.

"Image" was one of my Father's favourite songs - mainly for the works "image all the people living in peace" and it was played at his humanist funeral. So it is quite moving to me.