Nicola Sturgeons husband pleads guilty.
Is there a toiletry you can no longer buy and miss?
epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/38257
No need to kill badgers. They could be vaccinated.
I still don't understand why they haven't developed an effective vaccine yet - surely they've had more than enough time?
There is indeed a lot of 'emotion' around badgers. If I had evidence from good science that a cull would deal with TB once and for all - despite my like for an animal I've studied and observed for 30+ years, I'd have to agree with it - regardless of 'emotions'. Problem is, that evidence is just not there, and indeed contradicts expectations. I do have great sympathy for farmers who lose cattle - but too many are, as said before, the own worst enemy.
I have to say, if TB gets worse in the proposed culling areas after the autumn cull - I'll find it hard to be sorry
and not to say the dreaded 'told you so'.
Thanks Granjura. Have signed the petition!
Granjura thanks for all the info, I just wish they had included some of your facts on last night's Counrty File prog. Will sign the petition!
An interesting article;
Members of the public who may know little about farming – or wildlife – could be forgiven for thinking that farmers' lives are being ruined by badgers.
It is a message being peddled by the farming press, by some – but not all – farmers, and even by the BBC's Countryfile programme. They say that thousands of cattle are being slaughtered every year (30,000 in 2010) because of bovine tuberculosis (bTB) – an airborne respiratory disease – at enormous cost to farmers and the taxpayer: £100m last year. This much is true. They also say that bTB is being passed to cattle by badgers. This I dispute, based on evidence from those who know better than me – scientists.
Those of us who want to protect badgers from such bad press are forced on to the defensive. Particularly now, as the government has said it is "minded" to authorise a massive cull of badgers in an effort to control bTB.
It wasn't always like this. Bovine TB was almost eradicated by 1970, when there were only about 1,000 cases. Eleven years of localised badger culling failed to reduce the toll further. But the end of annual cattle testing in the mid-80s, and the devastating effects of BSE and foot-and-mouth disease, when testing was abandoned altogether, meant that many farms lost thousands of animals, and afterward there was a rush to restock. Regulations were relaxed, so cattle were bought and sold and – crucially – moved all over the country. Bovine tuberculosis was back. These relaxations of the movement and testing regimes – not badgers – were to blame.
So, to the question of whether badgers are responsible for increasing infection rates in cattle. If they are, how have cattle remained free of bTB in Scotland, where no badgers have been killed? Why do they have it in the Isle of Man, where there are no badgers? And why are bTB rates twice as high in Ireland, where so many badgers have been killed that they are extinct in many areas?
Could it be possible that cattle are infecting badgers? After all, cattle far outnumber badgers – 9 million cattle to, at most, a quarter of a million badgers.
George Pearce, a wildlife consultant, used to be a farmer. In his new book, Badger Behaviour, Conservation and Rehabilitation: 70 Years of Getting to Know Badgers, he explains how his family's farm, which always had badger setts on it, managed to remain free of bTB from 1950 to 2008, when the herd was dispersed.
Since the 1930s, there have been four important measures used to combat bTB: very strict movement controls, thorough cleansing of livestock buildings, good ventilation and double fencing on all boundaries to prevent cattle in adjoining fields from exchanging saliva.
Pearce says that if we want to solve this crisis, we should be talking about cattle, not badgers.
Aside from these measures, he suggests that we look at the bloodlines of our cattle. All bulls, whether used naturally or artificially, should have blood tests to assess their susceptibility to bTB. The reduced gene pool of bulls over the past 60 years could be contributing to the problem.
Cattle that were largely bTB-free in the 60s and 70s, he adds – mostly British breeds – have gradually been replaced by continental breeds. Are they less resistant?
What's more, cattle are bred much more intensively now, and bTB is known to be a stress-related disease.
What about dietary deficiencies? Dick Roper in Gloucestershire was anxious to find out why one of his farms was hit by bTB when his others were not. On the affected farm, the cattle were fed on maize, which badgers also love. But maize lacks selenium, a mineral that – in humans and livestock – is necessary to maintain a strong immune system. So, Roper introduced selenium mineral licks for his cattle, and for the badgers on his land – to the amusement of his neighbours – and cured his problem, despite all the farms around him becoming infected. Are cattle getting bTB because their immune system is compromised?
In the past two years, improved cattle testing, biosecurity and movement controls in England have led to a 15% reduction in the rates of bTB infection. In Wales, during the same period, the number of cattle slaughtered because of bTB has fallen by 36%, and by 45% in Dyfed. The Welsh Assembly Government had proposed a cull, before being forced to drop the plan.
And this, without a single badger being culled – despite the fact that a few rogue farmers have been swapping the ID tags of cattle so that valuable animals with bTB were, illegally, kept on farms, while healthy, but less valuable, ones were sent to slaughter in their place.
David Williams, the Badger Trust's chairman
TB in humans and cattle/badgers (and so many other animals, see article above- are we going to cull them all as well?) - are totally different strains, and do not mix. Yes, badgers get very sick and die of TB, but many are carriers for years.
There's a lot of emotion around badgers buf thinking about it I really don't know much.
Do badgers just carry TB or do they die from it?
How infectious is a cow to others in the first stages of TB before a cowman notices and removes it? How infectious is it to the cowman?
How is TB passed on to us - in the meat, in the milk? I thought the main reason for pasteurisation was to prevent passing on TB.
I also understand there is far less of a problem in the east of the UK. In fact most badgers in East Anglia are apparently TB free. Why?
Granjura can you help?
...and I you, soop.
It's not going to be possible which is a pity - the cost of the train tix. alone gives me the shivers!
One day I'm sure we'll meet up. x
Thanks * granjura* that was a very interesting and reasoned argument.
Strangely enough, the inititial independent research, which proved that culling often makes things worse- was done at the lovely Woodchester Park in Gloucesterhire.
Butty will you be able to make the meet up at Gallys, or would that be too far for you to travel? It would be lovely to meet you. 
I'll be staying in Glos. in October and visiting my cattle farming cousins.........I'll ask but I think I'll know the answer. 
Done. Appalling idea.
It would be interesting to hear the reactions of any Gransnetters from West Somerset and West Gloucestershire, where the trial culls are due to start this autumn.
Not just about the cull per se, but how it will happen. With un-identified men in balaclavas shooting all around them for several weeks?
On Countryfile tonight they said that a vaccination for cattle against TB would not be available until 2015.
Stupidly enough, merlotgran, TB testing ans status for individual cattle and herds, is NOT part of the cattle passport 
www.defra.gov.uk/food-farm/animals/movements/cattle/
There are strict rules regarding the movement of cattle.
Better animal husbandry is the answer and less moving around of cattle. Badger culling is not the answer - as noted above, if an area is cleared, other badgers may well move in. Am I right in thinking that there is no bovine TB in Scotland?
Signed. I totally agree with what has been said about the cull. We've been down this route before some years ago and of course, for the reasons stated here, it has had little or no effect. People just want an excuse to shoot and kill. I was brought up in the countryside. My parents had a badger sett in their garden and my father had farming experience and no way would he intentionally kill a badger. It's up to farmers to look after their cattle properly. A cull is just not going to work. Oh dear, why can't we live together peaceably? Why do we always want to hurt other creatures?
Nelliemoser, there are (very approximately) 300,000 badgers in the UK, whereas there are over 80 million rats. If the rat population wasn't controlled, it would pose a very serious health risk.
Signed for purely selfish reasons! I love watching badgers in my garden and feeding them. I am in favour of vaccination of badgers and/or cattle.
I was thinking conservation in terms of breeding protected healthy badgers to return to the wild if culls are allowed to take place Granjura. I can watch badgers play in a friend's garden. They'll do anything for a peanut butter sandwich. The thought of them being hunted down is terrible. The few houses near their setts all know about them and keep an eye out for their privacy, but the setts are by the perimeter of a golf course, and not that hidden from ramblers.
Signed.
If badgers have no natural predators now in Britain because we have driven them out of our country over 1000s of years and their numbers and health issues are causing problems is it really unreasonable to cull numbers? How do people feel about controlling rats? They are also native furry creatures. Grey squirrels! These are having to be culled in areas where they are trying to maintain our native red squirrels. My point being; all of these issues are very complicated indeed. Logically and morally if we don't cull badgers why should we control rats?
Now there's putting the cat amongst the pigeons.
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www.badger.org.uk
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