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When intelligent doesn't mean smart

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sunseeker Sat 15-Jun-13 19:51:46

My neighbour, a scientist who used to travel to USA to work on their space programme (when they had one) is currently at the top of an extended ladder leaning into a hedge which he is attempting to cut and which is at least 20ft high, with an electric hedge trimmer! shock No-one at the bottom of the ladder holding it.

Just to make things a bit more interesting his young children are running around the garden close to the bottom of the ladder

shysal Sat 15-Jun-13 19:58:12

I have noticed that some highly intelligent individuals have no common sense. I have worked with some of them!

whenim64 Sat 15-Jun-13 20:54:38

My ex used to be called the absent-minded professor. One memorable sunny afternoon, he decided to paint a bedroom window ledge. He went up the ladder with the paint, did most of it, then rather than come down and move the ladder another foot or so, leaned over to reach the last bit. We watched in horror as he, ladder and tin of paint landed in the dogwood bushes below. No common sense at all - luckily he didn't break anything, nor did he learn from the experience. He did it again weeks later, but got down the ladder when it wobbled!

petallus Sat 15-Jun-13 21:22:32

I've always thought there is a difference between cleverness and intelligence.

annsixty Sat 15-Jun-13 21:28:37

I think it can be the difference between being intelligent and using common sense.

nanaej Sat 15-Jun-13 22:04:26

Not everyone who is super clever also has the practical gene!

Ana Sat 15-Jun-13 22:09:52

Of course not! And not everyone who has the practical gene is unintelligent!

janerowena Sat 15-Jun-13 22:28:37

My father was like that - and I can see it in my son. I look at him and hope he meets a lovely practical forgiving girl.

Aka Sat 15-Jun-13 22:46:56

It's been accepted for over 25 years now that there are multiple tyes of intelligences, a theory originally put forward by Dr. Howard Gardner of Harvard University. It's not a case how 'how intelligent are you?' but more 'how are you intelligent?'
types of intelligence

Greatnan Sat 15-Jun-13 23:29:45

If you google 'Is intelligence fixed' you will find many studies which show that it is not.

janeainsworth Sun 16-Jun-13 01:54:54

Thank you aka.
I've come to the conclusion that I'm really not intelligent at all shock

Ariadne Sun 16-Jun-13 07:49:32

Aka - shows how long I have been retired - I had forgotten all about Howard Gardner and multiple intelligences. Yet it was one of the theories that began to transform our thinking about teaching, wasn't it?

Aka Sun 16-Jun-13 08:02:28

It was indeed Ariadne and it began to explain so much.

Aka Sun 16-Jun-13 08:03:51

What kind of 'intelligence' are you talking about Greatnan? The kind that purports to be measured by IQ tests?

Aka Sun 16-Jun-13 08:08:52

fluid intelligence

Thinking 'outside the box', lateral thinking, the ability to change our views, very interesting. IMO this is lost by some as they age though others never develop the ability in the first place.

Elegran Sun 16-Jun-13 08:12:51

All kinds can improve over time and with a bit of maturity, but some people just cannot "do" anything needing a delicate touch, or fine judgment of facial expressions and the meaning behind what is said, or diferential calculus. Just as well that there are occupations and pastimes that need different quaities. It wouldn't do if we were all identical. Vive la difference, and live and let live.

Elegran Sun 16-Jun-13 08:14:29

Some people never master the keyboard, either. Differential calculus has two Fs.

Aka Sun 16-Jun-13 08:20:04

Interesting points Elegran ... does this mean memory plays an important part in 'intelligences' then? Inasmuch as we use the chemical memory of past experiences to 'improve over time'.

Elegran Sun 16-Jun-13 08:36:32

It is not easy to measure and define intelligence of any kind, because the measurement is inevitably affected by the measurer, or the compiler(s) of the tests being employed, however rigorous and sophisticated they are. It is difficult to measure the inner workings of the brain, so it is actions, dexterity, attitudes, and answers to questions that are measured.

Exactly what is being measured, and how the level of it is assessed, depend upon the norms prevalent at the time in the society where it is being measured. The assessee is surrounded by that society and being moulded by it, and learning about it and practising skills from the moment of birth.

Mamie Sun 16-Jun-13 08:37:43

I can't remember the details, but there was something on television where they re-tested people who had done the 11+, sixty? years before. Some of them scored much better than they had done at 11 and I think there was a relationship to the type of jobs they had done. This is why the 11+ is such an appalling idea.

Greatnan Sun 16-Jun-13 08:40:40

I suppose the 'intelligence' which is measured by IQ tests is probably the one that springs to mind as being capable of modification, but I don't see why the other types should not be the same.
The old-fashioned Stanford Binet tests were so culturally biased they were meaningless.

whenim64 Sun 16-Jun-13 09:31:14

I do like this quote, which contrasts intelligence and wisdom:

“Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom. Mastering others is strength; mastering yourself is true power. If you realize that you have enough, you are truly rich.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

petallus Sun 16-Jun-13 09:39:22

I like that too when.

And being clever is often just knowing a theorum or equation or whatever, not even yourself.

petallus Sun 16-Jun-13 09:40:26

So for me, there is a difference between cleverness, intelligence and wisdom.

Elegran Sun 16-Jun-13 14:48:55

I think there is for all of us.