Are our views always entrenched?

Are you less offended when someone says what you say (or what you think) is silly than if they say you (one) is silly? Calling people names, yes, rude and offensive. Saying they are stupid, ignorant, unkind.........? Or their opinions?

Here's me tacking and gybing away to get away from the personal scores, elegran . Hey ho.

Actually, I don't think it's a pointless distinction. After all, one might argue something which someone then said was stupid and convinced you by their argument that it was. You could then agree and say you hadn't thought of that and thank you.

All in the spirit of good debate.

But if someone said you (one) was stupid, it'd be harder to come to agreement.

That's my take on it anyhow, for what it's worth. I find this has served me well.

Save your breath to cool your porridge, Bags. This thread has passed through several subjects and housing has been left behind long ago. It is now an arena for infighting and private references to old sores.

If the posters would stop picking at them they would have a chance to heal, but it looks as though they enjoy the experience so much they can't stop. I came back to see whether there was any sane discussion but I see I was over-optimistic.

A plague on both all your houses. Go and hire a field and some duelling pistols and do some Mutually Assured Destruction. While you are busy with that perhaps posters without axes to grind could discuss fair and practical ways to house people without discrimination or recriminations. Preferably on another thread.

Perhaps, lily, but them's the rules whether we like them or not!

Absolutely pointless distinction!

moved, just for info, as I didn't see the deleted posts either (been out at archery practice), it's within the rules to say a post is "twisted" (or whatever) but not to say that the person posting is twisted. Hope that helps.

jura, going back to your post of 12:31 in reply to my asking what would incentivise you to move out of your home, I didn't mean that you should. I asked the question as a kind of thought experiment for you (and anyone else who wanted to try it) because, in all seriousness, if there were an incentive that would work with you (or me), it would probably work for others too. For such a thought experiment, we'd jave to assume other things were equal (jobs in the area, etc.). So, really, all I was suggesting really was that we treat others as we would like to be treated.

If councils or national government can come up with really good, attractive incentives to get people to move to ease the shortage of family housing, well and good. But the alternative of simply governing better and making sure there is enough accommodation of the right type for the population (or the projected (aging) population) would be preferable in my view.

Successive governments have botched is the long and the short of it.

I've been reading this thread and I think members who are objecting to it should just stop following it!

OMG!

I haven't contributed to this thread much but I've read it and I shake my head in admiration.

I didn't say you were dishonest - I said to suggest I had used a word when I haven't is dishonest debating. I know you are very honest.

I was deleted for saying 'twisted', isn't calling someone dishonest worse?

And toffs was not an expression I used either, and to suggest I did is dishonest.

I was out ordering my evening meal at reception, so I certainly did not report it or even see it.
I quite agree that there has been little to choose between all three major parties for several years. Like many other former socialists, I lost faith after 1997 and now I feel disenfranchised.

Any private matters between Juragran and myself are just that. I would prefer it if no reference was made to exchanges made between us, especially when they give only one side of the story.

The CQC has been 'not fit for task' for a long time. There have been several cases over the last two years where they have been found wanting.

Greatnan I simply asked you to explain how you managed to turn

"I don't find talk of 'toffs' or 'Old Etonians' particularly helpful. Presumably such people were elected because the voters in their constituencies thought they were the best candidates and any of them promoted to the cabinet be there because their leader believed they would do the job better than any of the others. On the whole we get the government we deserve."

into;

"I am glad you think all the cabinet are doing a good job, Moved"

This seems to be how you react to all my posts. You attribute thoughts to me which I have not expressed.

AKA .

On the money , Ana .

Sadly I don't have room for an Aga in my new downsized accommodation though I do have a spare bedroom! Nonu that was sheer nostalgia., for the 'old days' when I had to wear white gloves to church and a liberty bodice.
Nor do I have access to any nice plump bunny rabbits any more Moved

And to go so far as to ask a whole thread to be deleted is a bit high-handed!

Surely the 'several gransnetters' who complained don't have to read threads they don't like?

I carry no banner for Old Etonians or for the Bullingdon Club - an excuse for rich young men to behave like yobs - but anyone brought up in a solid Labour area, who isn't totally blinkered, must be aware that the old boys' network operated in more than one social milieu. As for the latest NHS scandal, it looks as though the existing monitoring bodies (the Royal medical and nursing colleges) were finding too many things wrong with the way the service operated so the Labour government took the responsibility off them and set up the CQC. Everyone now seems agreed that the CQC had neither the expertise nor resources to do the job but that was OK because what it was set up to do was a whitewash. The Tories have no monopoly on corruption, whatever kind of tie they wear.

I've been watching this thread and I don't think it's all that unpleasant. I thought Greatnan and Granjura were good friends but is that no longer the case or have I got it all wrong?

We had a discussion on another thread (I know, I'm breaking the rules)
where quite a few gransnetters expressed dismay at 'running to teacher' by certain members.

Do we HAVE to be treated like children?

Crikey AKA , you are a bit posh with AGA , it will be half a crown to speak to you next.