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Do you want what Gove wants for your grandchildren?

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MiceElf Thu 04-Jul-13 06:23:51

Maggiemaybe, what an excellent post. it seems that the ghastly Gove just wants to ensure that parents and children have no fun together, no time to relax or engage in the activities which they have chosen. Instead, the heads of children are to stuffed with dubious 'facts'; cooperation, debate, discussion, teamwork and reflection are rubbished and the only role for parents is to make money to support the wealthy 5% so that they can continue to decide what happens to the rest.

Greatnan, that is truly dreadful. I hope that her parents are going to get together with others to challenge and stop this harmful and ludicrous experimenting with children. I would question if this is even legal.

Eloethan Thu 04-Jul-13 00:02:28

It's very sad that children are being exploited in this way. And having a high IQ doesn't necessarily equal happiness or success.

j08 Wed 03-Jul-13 22:58:44

I do NOT want shorter summer holidays. They need to do all the things maggiemaybe said in her post.

And they need to come and stay with me.

Deedaa Wed 03-Jul-13 22:52:12

I felt very sorry for the chess child in the Child Genius's, his mother was the worst sort of American, who was to talk everything to death. I think he was well out of it. I didn't think most of the parents were pushy - just trying to keep up with the children in most cases.

I think Maggiemaybe has said everything I wanted to say. As far as I can see children are doing more and more schoolwork yet leaving school knowing less and less about the world around them! My daughter who has a science degree and a PhD herself certainly doesn't want her son spending any more time at school. It leaves little enough time for the things he is interested in as it is.

Greatnan Wed 03-Jul-13 22:42:49

My great-gd1 starts school in September and her mother has been told they are 'trialling' a new curriculum and she will be in a group of 60 children with one teacher and two teaching assistants.

bluebell Wed 03-Jul-13 22:25:15

That's rubbish wot I just wrote - that bunch D'ONT want evidence to get on the way of policy. Long day is my excuse!

bluebell Wed 03-Jul-13 22:22:33

Maggiemaybe grin The most amazing thing about the whole debate about the size, shape and length of the school year is that is no evidence base whatsoever. Still who would want evidence to get in the way of policy? Well, yes, altogether now Gove( and Hunt and Grayling and IDS (who actually makes up his own statistics)

Maggiemaybe Wed 03-Jul-13 22:12:18

I want my grandchildren to have a good education over 39 weeks a year, during school hours, with minimal homework as they get older but none when they are tiny. I want them to have time to read, play with their friends, slob out and relax. I also want them to enjoy long, lazy summer holidays learning how to enjoy seemingly endless freedom. And I want them to be bored at regular intervals - there's nothing more character building than those afternoons when you have to learn to entertain yourself. I do not want my grandchildren to be geniuses of any description. If they are I shall support them all I can, but I'll see it as a huge disadvantage, not a gift. I don't want what Michael Gove wants for them - in fact I don't want Michael Gove, full stop.

annodomini Wed 03-Jul-13 20:49:57

I think it was the fascination of horror that kept me watching. The chess child with the most obnoxious parent of all was fortunately eliminated in an earlier round. The most obnoxious child with the most normal parents failed to swot up his spellings and bit the dust early too. I expect to see some of these in Countdown in the near future! hmm

JessM Wed 03-Jul-13 20:48:14

Yes I saw the end of that and cringed. Winners mother by far the most happy and laid back methinks.
Gove is a headline grabbing toad. Has no one had the courage to point out to him that public school kids get about a month less schooling per year than state school kids? (re the longer terms bit)

Stansgran Wed 03-Jul-13 20:33:19

I felt it was very similar to those horrid child beauty pageants so popular in the US. One or two were obnoxious little beasts but closely resembled their parents. I saw bits of the second programmer and couldn't stomach it again.

Greatnan Wed 03-Jul-13 19:06:13

I watched the Child Genius programme with a heavy heart. So much pressure on such young children - and how many will continue to excel as they get older? Ruth Lawrence says her creepy father ruined her childhood and teenage years.

Mamie Wed 03-Jul-13 19:03:23

I just got more and more uncomfortable with Child Genius, Anno. Dreadful, pushy parents and children who didn't seem to have a normal childhood at all. I couldn't see what a lot of the actual competition had to do with intelligence; it mostly seemed to be about memory and cramming. I seriously doubt that we really were looking at future leaders.

FlicketyB Wed 03-Jul-13 18:58:08

I learnt as much, if not more, during the school holidays than I did at school - and I was at a academically very good school.

annodomini Wed 03-Jul-13 18:31:00

I watched with some admiration and much trepidation the Channel 4 programme Child Genius which ended last night. I was pleased that the child whose pushy mother wrote and made him memorise his debating speech didn't win the title. That seemed very much like cheating to me. The girl who won was already the world under 12 Scrabble champion, so naturally her forte was spelling, but she was brilliant all round. Her parents had moved from India because they realised that her English was so good that they wanted to give her the opportunity to excel. But otherwise they didn't seem pushy - she pushed herself.

GadaboutGran Wed 03-Jul-13 18:17:13

What hit me most about arriving in Singapore in February was all the adverts for tutoring, even from the age of 18 months, to make children into brilliant everything from maths wizards to artists. Then I was appalled to see massive adverts down the side of school buildings about their amazing academic & sporting achievements with photos of their high achieving pupils. Gove wants our kids to be like those in Singapore & now he's wanting them to work all summer (I used to love that feeling of long summer holidays) and after school too. Do you want us to go the same way? Driving through a village in Hampshire last week I saw a banner proclaiming the school was 'Ofsted Outstanding' so it looks like we're on the slippery slope.