disabled will NOT be exempt from 'bedroom tax'

Vampire I'd expect to pay if I could afford it. For example, I've had a special shower build, grab rails placed strategically around the house and a raised toilet seat fitted downstairs, all for when my 88-year old mother-in-law and my 90-year old aunt come to stay with us a couple of times a year, both widows. The same aunt has had a stair lift and a special shower fitted in her own house all at her own expense. She was a launderess and her late husband a carpenter. Neither of them earned much but they did believe in 'saving for their old age'. My MiL never worked preferring to stay at home and look after her four children so she now gets an augmented pension and everything paid for by social services.
This argument could go on forever.
There are those who seem to think they should rely on the state for every little hand out and on the other side those who have no understanding of what it's like to be in genuine need.
Then there are those of us who are sick of people who work the system for their own lazy ends and making it harder for people with real disabilities and real needs to be helped.

gillybob I saw both and totally agree with you about the lady from BCC she went over and above what her job discription was an absolute super star,the second programme left me speachless whilst people should always be given the choice as to where they want or need to live I thought the refusal of 9/10 properties very strange,but then they go down a totally differant route with the elderly man who we could all see was desperate for ground floor and up pops a flat with stairs to the entrance,my heart went out to the young girl who lived in her mums lounge with her son when she was the invited to view with three other applicants and noted her comments which I can't put on here but you will know what they where.Such a stupid way of applying for housing but quite a lot of Councils do it this way,it is done here apparantly.

I think replying to Frank's obvious teasers just encourages him. I am sure he finds it very amusing!

Totally agree with you glammanana The lady from Birmingham City Council was the perfect person for the job. She was very fair and firm but showed masses of sympathy/empathy with the tenants and their various problems. In particular the alcoholic gent who was living in squalor and the young couple with the baby, who she had no choice but to report to social services.

I too was left speechless when seeing people being offered a brand new 3 bedroomed apartment and saying they didnt want it because it didnt have a parking space ! I noticed she changed her mind at the end though. I also felt sorry for the young girl and her son living in her mums lounge. She was in a hopeless situation as she had all the cards stacked against her. I know what she wanted to say as I wanted to say it for her ! What a shame.

I also watched How to Get a Council House, or perhaps it should have been called How Not to Get a Council House. I noted that at the end of the programme there was a rider to say that Tower Hamlets have now introduced a system whereby applicants who have refused 3 properties go to the end of the queue. I'm amazed they didn't do this years ago, as have other councils. The programme really brought home to me the desperate plight of people in real housing difficulties - what a heartache. I was glad that the granddad with his 2 young GDs got a house at last, but what a mess it was in, and I found myself wondering how much it would cost to make it decent. It was obvious that the Council felt they had no responsibility there. We just don't have enough decent, affordable flats and houses to rent. I don't know what the answer is, but we are now at crisis point.

I noticed the state of the house given to the grandad and his 2 grandaughters too vegasmags . Sadly I think this is often the case. My parents were given local authority adapted bungalow a couple of years back which was in "one hell of a state". It was filthy dirty, smelly and there was only a sink and a base unit in, what they referred to as "the kitchen". My mum is disabled and had been unable to go upstairs for a long time in their previous house and so we felt they had no choice but to accept the bungalow. I have since decorated it right through, my son fitted new laminate floors and he and my husband fitted a new kitchen too. I bet the council were clapping their hands! I pity anyone who would have to accept a property in such a state of disrepair who did not have anyone to help them tidy it up.

Another way they could deal with the situation is move other people in to a socially funded house when the children leave home.
This would save building new flats.
I know the tenants might not like it but as I have said before the taxpayer should only provide minimum standards.
I do object to a situation where a son / daughter are told they have got to sell a jointly owned property unlawfully to fund their parents care or be told they must pay top up.

Frank

Frank that is ridiculous, but please can I just check that you actually mean that complete strangers be moved in to someone's home to share it with them?

Or did you mean 'older people' Frank?

A sort of Oldies commune...

I'm beginning to agree with Greatnan .....

Not sure what you mean Frank ?

What a twisted view you have about people in need of social housing. "only provide minimum standards". What the hell on earth do you think they provide luxury mansions? By "mimimum standards" do you mean a room with a toilet and a fire to cook and keep warm? Do you have one single ounce of humanity? Do you ever stop to think that some people are just not as fortunate as you?

Oh I give up.

gillybob

To give these people what they want will cost money.
Why should I pay yet more tax?.

Frank

Frank you haven't answered my question of 11.13.54

phoenix

If there are no flats available then people on their own asking for social housing should be made to share a larger property.

Frank

UNBELIEVABLE !!!!!!!!!

Frank have you ever considered changing your name to "Dagenham Dave" ?

Or perhaps "Epping Eric"?

Or Less Than Frank

im disabled and in housing association house. i cannot get a stair lift even tho i use a wheel chair and i am partially sighted because i have a down stairs toilet. i have fallen down and up the stairs so many times i have lost count. i had to supply my own wheel chair including a power chair after i had a stroke and lost some strength and movement in my left side . still get no help of any kind even if i am on benefits now. i do not know how some people can get help but others cannot and as for bedroom tax, what next ,! window tax? or may be breathing tax?!!!

There by the grace of god go you Frank,lets hope nothing ever happens to distroy your little fantasy world.

If you all stopped falling for Frank's bait, he/they would get bored and move on to another forum.

Some of us like Frank, though. When he keeps to his own threads he can be very funny. I agree that his often absurd contributions to threads about serious subjects are distracting, though....

I cannot see that Frank is doing an awful lot of harm to anyone !!

cazz19

My father had to pay for his own wheel chair.
All he got was attendance allowance for the last 2 years of his life and I got carers allowance which was taxed at 20%.

Frank