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What happened to English grammar?

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Greatnan Tue 06-Aug-13 07:15:56

Headline in The Daily Mail:
The death of the man who sunk the Belgrano: Falklands Navy hero Sir John 'Sandy' Woodward dies aged 81

Galen Sat 10-Aug-13 17:45:00

I think it was meant to be some sort of pun FFF?

Nelliemoser Sat 10-Aug-13 17:45:56

Well it was a sort of joke, by means of pun on the guy's surname and the activity he was involved in. There were other puns flying about!

Nelliemoser Sat 10-Aug-13 17:46:51

We crossed there Galen

Galen Sat 10-Aug-13 18:01:48

Great minds Nelliesunshine

Elegran Sat 10-Aug-13 18:26:12

I remembered about Vivien Fuchs. Did not quite see the relevance though, a bit laboured as a pun. I would expect better wordplay from deserving.

Ana Sat 10-Aug-13 18:47:23

I agree, Elegran. Floundering a bit, I thought.

Galen Sat 10-Aug-13 18:49:46

Hang on! We were on dry land til now! Where did flatfish come from?

Ana Sat 10-Aug-13 18:51:32

Oh! Must have been thinking of Orca! grin

Galen Sat 10-Aug-13 18:53:47

[gron]

Galen Sat 10-Aug-13 18:54:21

Oh not the dreaded [gron] again. I meant grin

Elegran Sat 10-Aug-13 19:01:24

I thought that was a groan.

Galen Sat 10-Aug-13 19:15:57

I never groan! It is very unladylike.
I might utter a VERY FAINT moan!

deserving Sun 11-Aug-13 12:31:23

Who has the nerve to ask,"relevance" on this net. Have you seen the other posts?
If relevance is necessary, it was a headline, not necessarily of the great importance of the one that started this thread, of sink sank sunk, fame, but rather amusing, I think, (that in itself should start another small war). Another, at the time, if my memory serves me was, "Explorer Fuchs off to the pole".
Many of these headlines can be quite clever and amusing, I don't think we should take them too seriously with regard to good grammar.
The journalists concerned are more concerned with appearing amusing than observing the niceties some of us seem to expect, or perhaps demand.
Nowadays if you get the gist, that seems to be enough, no time to waste on the niceties, pandering to elderly ladies.

Nonu Sun 11-Aug-13 12:35:25

Sometimes though DES. we like being pandered to , has that thought occurred to you .

wink

Greatnan Sun 11-Aug-13 12:42:54

This particular headline was clearly not intended to be amusing and I, for one, certainly expect correct grammar from journalists. 'Pandering to elderly ladies'......hm, a tad patronising, I think?

deserving Sun 11-Aug-13 12:47:04

Not necessarily by the same gender though.Thoughts that occur can sometimes be likened to first impressions. Often those first impressions we are warned about having , are correct.Things that occur, give the impression of not being structured,and if acted upon can be ill-considered, or more correctly not thought out at all.And as irrelevant as Fuchs seems to have been.

Greatnan Sun 11-Aug-13 12:49:08

I think I will stick to Jane Austen.

Nonu Sun 11-Aug-13 12:57:33

If you say so

deserving Sun 11-Aug-13 13:04:12

Stick to?

Greatnan Sun 11-Aug-13 13:23:49

Jane Austen writes sentences that I can understand at first reading.

Elegran Sun 11-Aug-13 13:34:04

Ah! That explains it. I thought at first that it was Deserving who was trying to be clever and amusing, but it was a journalist.

Greatnan Sun 11-Aug-13 13:35:50

Or not, in this case!

Greatnan Sun 11-Aug-13 13:37:24

Nonu - perhaps you could speak for yourself, please - I certainly don't want to be pandered to. I expect to be treated as a rational, intelligent, human being.

Galen Sun 11-Aug-13 13:38:16

Am I getting (even more) demented. Or is the demon alcohol destroying my neurones faster than I realise?
I fail to understand deserving's post in its entirety. But then that is normal for me!
I think I'll stick to Jane Austin and commissioners decisions in future!

deserving Sun 11-Aug-13 13:42:07

Sorry, I was about to make a nasty remark, it ,believe me or not, doesn't become me. It was you, Gnan who first quoted, to me that members were not likely to comment on others spelling, grammar etc. That was a long time ago, wasn't relevant then, and is even less relevant now.I will stick with my practice, of not getting ,my retaliations in first,although I might allude to something, be it a little obscure or not.