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What happened to English grammar?

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Greatnan Tue 06-Aug-13 07:15:56

Headline in The Daily Mail:
The death of the man who sunk the Belgrano: Falklands Navy hero Sir John 'Sandy' Woodward dies aged 81

Bags Tue 06-Aug-13 17:31:33

#nowtransparentaswellasthick

#talented

Elegran Tue 06-Aug-13 17:33:27

The Annecy thread was not deleted, J08, but your post was, at your request. You posted a little further on, when people had protested :-

"Yes. It was inappropriate. I should not have got sidetracked like that.

I will ask Gransnet to delete those posts." That is still there. you also commented later that you had been joking.

I can't remember now what you originally said, but I remember that it was not thought to be at all suitable to the subject.

Galen Tue 06-Aug-13 17:40:32

bags why would you sink a shop?

j08 Tue 06-Aug-13 17:46:18

Well, as I can't remember it it is hard to comment. It sounds like I got distracted. I must admit the people concerned in that case were not personally k nown to me and so, though I remember it was horrific, it would not have had me completely on the floor personally. Well, you'd go mad would n't you'

Greatnan Tue 06-Aug-13 17:51:40

And I am called insensitive!

Greatnan Tue 06-Aug-13 17:57:40

Bags, sunken is an adjective, describing a ship - only verbs are considered to be transitive (taking an object) or intransitive (not taking an object). Shall I go back into pedants' corner!
Is it worth my while repeating that I did not say anything disrespectful about this man, nor about my views on the rightness or otherwise of the War.?
Nor was I making a joke - I consider bad grammar in newspapers to be a serious matter.

j08 Tue 06-Aug-13 18:40:18

Do you not know what the words "I remember it was horrific" mean Greatnan?

j08 Tue 06-Aug-13 18:40:59

I never said it was deleted (the thread) Elegran.

j08 Tue 06-Aug-13 18:41:54

" it was not thought to be at all suitable to the subject. "

I can imagine. hmm

j08 Tue 06-Aug-13 18:43:20

"and don't throw stones at the pot."

Totally confused now!

granjura Tue 06-Aug-13 18:54:36

Well, as said, we were always taught that the past simple is 'sank' and that the perfect tense is used with the auxiliary 'to have' + past participle 'sunk'.
But I agree that foreign languages teachers are often more nit picking than native ones smile

granjura Tue 06-Aug-13 18:58:44

The important fact being that we do not know, on an open forum, if the subject matter, even if it was not the point of the post, could be hugely upsetting for some posters. How do we know that no-one here, or their close relatives or friends, was/were involved as army personnel in the Falklands war, and met their demise or severe injury there??? Totally irrespective of what we thought about said war. And yes, totally irrespective of the poster, insensitive.

janeainsworth Tue 06-Aug-13 18:58:57

Ooh Bags! Envious! grin

Elegran Tue 06-Aug-13 19:00:45

Well, J08 people who live in glass houses calling kettles black are already confused so throwing stones at pots could be a shattering experience for them! grin

Elegran Tue 06-Aug-13 19:01:49

I do like these threads that have several conversations all going on at once!

Ana Tue 06-Aug-13 19:02:20

Envious of Bags being transparentaswellasthick Jane, or talented? grin

j08 Tue 06-Aug-13 19:07:00

Thick wasn't the right word. Not in the sense of brain thickness.

Greatnan Tue 06-Aug-13 19:11:32

Apparently, any kind of subject matter could be upsetting for some member, so perhaps we should all stop posting!
Why on earth should an innocent thread about bad grammar from a newspaper give rise to this kind of comment?hmm

j08 Tue 06-Aug-13 19:14:53

......shakes head and gives up.....

Ana Tue 06-Aug-13 19:15:57

No, I was just quoting Bags herself, jngl. I know you didn't mean thick as in unintelligent...smile

j08 Tue 06-Aug-13 19:18:51

No! I didn't mean to refer to your post Ana. grin

#roundincircles grin

Ana Tue 06-Aug-13 19:21:44

Oh I see, you were referring back to your #

Oh well, what I said still applies! grin

Bags Tue 06-Aug-13 19:21:59

galen, grin. Just got as far as your post. I noticed that I shopped the first ship but not the second. You might sink a shop you were angry with, mightn't you? Figuratively speaking.

Ana Tue 06-Aug-13 19:22:49

But then, would you have sunk it or sank it....? confused

granjura Tue 06-Aug-13 19:23:46

I am sure you are sincere in what you say GN- but I could make up a sentence with exactly the same lack of syntax and grammatical error- which I am sure you would find totally insensitive, irrespective of the fact it was meant to be about grammar. I am surprised you can't see this, really and truly. The death of a close one is rarely a good joke... even if you are talking about the grammar, surely?

I'd have made the same comment totally irrespective of the poster-and has nothing to do with a personal attack.