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Are women's achievements underrated?

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janeainsworth Sun 08-Sept-13 21:14:59

Thanks Eloethan - I was just wondering!

Eloethan Sun 08-Sept-13 19:15:31

"Capital" - John Lanchester. I was hesitant to name it as I wasn't criticising the book - I found it easy to read and entertaining.

I just wondered whether, had it been written by a woman, it would have been described in terms such as "the great London novel of the early 21st century" (Jonathan Derbyshire, New Statesman).

janeainsworth Sun 08-Sept-13 12:59:39

Which book was it, Eloethan?

annodomini Sun 08-Sept-13 12:34:55

Greatnan, the famous critic, FR Leavis would disagree with those men who think no woman has ever written a great book. They are probably men who would dismiss out of hand any novel with a woman's name on the cover. That is why the Brontes and George Eliot wrote under masculine pseudonyms.

Jendurham Sun 08-Sept-13 11:59:30

Did anyone see the Proms last night, the first ever female conductor?
She made a good speech to that effect.

annodomini Sun 08-Sept-13 11:46:05

There are hundreds of excellent women writers publishing today under female names. Interesting that JK Rowling's first detective novel was published under a male name - Robert Galbraith. I wonder why she did that. I believe that some men write romantic fiction under female noms de plume, though probably not serious fiction. Horses for courses?

feetlebaum Sun 08-Sept-13 11:21:06

My first wife had the experience of submitting a book under her own name and having it rejected, then submitting it under a male nom de plume - it was then accepted... The music field is slowly caving in - most orchestras these days have a fair number of women players (Even the Vienna Phil has some), and women conductors are beginning to show up. Composers are still thin on the ground - Dame Ethel Smythe is the only one that leaps to mind. However, there are talented ladies writing film and television music.

Yes, women's achievements are underrated, partly as a result of lack of opportunity.

Greatnan Sun 08-Sept-13 10:35:30

I have been told by some men that women have never written great books or composed great music. In fact, much of the output of talented women was suppressed or published under the name of their male relatives.

absent Sat 07-Sept-13 20:01:28

The fact that reviewers and other people talk about "novelists" and "women novelists" says a lot. In another field, remember Mr Cameron recently rejoicing in Andy Murray's Wimbledon victory at the expense of previous female champions.

Eloethan Sat 07-Sept-13 10:29:09

I have just read a much lauded book by a well known male author. I found it very engaging and thoroughly enjoyed it. To my mind, though, it was a good read but not, as the critics' comments implied, a literary masterpiece.

It occurred to me that I have read similarly themed and, to my mind, much better written books by women but they have not received such accolades in terms of their literary merit.

I'm sure everyone will say "Well, what about Hilary Mantel?" but her level of success is fairly unusual.