An ethical question

I think Kitty knows that, Aka; she just cannot get the idea out of her head, once planted. I think the Andrex bamboo paper has aloe vera in as well, Kitty. Or you could always make sure you buy recycled printer paper, then you will not feel so bad about it.
The thing about buying recycled paper is that the more you buy, the more choice there will be from manufacturers.
After all, nothing to do with paper, but even Nestle have started using fairtrade chocolate.

I do buy recycled printer paper and all sorts of other 'good' things Jen but, as I said, there is a balance to be struck. Loo paper is such an integral part of life that I am not prepared to compromise!

Sorry, Kitty, but Andrex bamboo toilet paper is 90% recycled and 10% bamboo, so no good for someone of your sensibilities.

And,I suspect Aka knew I knew

Well I am not arguing with the figures, but this is a gross over simplification of the way it all works. How much do you think it costs to get the aid to the right places? The cost of chartering aircraft, running warehouses and buying in equipment, shelters, medical equipment, water purification equipment? Much of this is high tech and expensive.

More from snouts in the trough.
"Its shops raise £89.9m, but cost £67.6m, leaving just £22.3m for charity. Not great, considering the people working in the shops are mostly volunteers. "

Charity shops have to pay rent, and a business rate tax, even if it is reduced.
They have to insure and heat and maintain premises, pay transport to get goods from central collection points to their locations.

Each shop has a paid manager and some assistants and volunteers who do have to be trained and managed.
www.theguardian.com/voluntary-sector-network/2012/aug/21/get-ahead-charity-shop-manager.

"Oxfam has a clear career path for the managers of its 700 UK shops who start on a minimum salary of between £15,840 to £19,489 depending on store turnover."

More snouts comments.
" Of the £229.1m available for charitable work, £90.6m is handed out in grants to other charities. As they will certainly have managerial and administrative costs of 20% or more, that’s another £18.1m not available for real charity."

There are a large number of UK charities who give grants to other local charities.
The DEC (disaster emergency committee) pool resources for urgent aid. If there is a need in a particular area and say Oxfam doesn't have workers there but another organisation does, then they should of course support those groups who know the local situation.

How do "snouts" judge what is real charity!
One thing "real charity" is not is just handing out emergency aid. All the big agencies promote projects to improve health, education and community development

It is all too easy to it a spin on the "figures" if you do not bother to analyse or mention what the actual costs are.

The basic administration costs for Oxfam as I stated earlier, with the link to the report, about 12% of their income. That is pretty good.

A report on charity admin costs seem to indicate that within reason its counter productive to spend too small a proportion on administration.
giving-evidence.com/2013/05/02/admin-data/

Sorry, Nellie but back to my toilet paper!

Jen I do not feel bad about my choices so please don't assume that I do. I make enough good choices to be allowed the odd bad choice.

I hope you were joking about 'someone of my sensibilities'

As you were, those of you who were not sidetracked by the rivetting topic of my loo roll choices.

With you there, Kitty

Sorry, Kitty, I thought it was all a joke, except of course, you not using recycled loo paper, and I did not assume that you felt bad about your choices. Can't you see my smile?
Having been vegetarian for over 35 years I know better than to try and change people.
We had a guest house in York for ten years, and I could not believe the number of people who had to have recycled loo paper explained to them.
Our environmental credentials were written on our literature, in case you're wondering.

No smile on my screen Jen

Well, that got the ball loo paper rolling. Well done, @rogertb.

there is a thread on loo brushes so why not have one JUST for loo paper?
[joke.]So please don't start one.

nowt wrong with digressing..

This is going to sound really cynical but priests are people, they are not on a pedestal in fact many are lower than average folk, bearing in mind how many lies have been told over child abuse.

When I volunteered in a charity shop we had someone on board to go though the stuff for anything with any value if something got through I think that's just good luck, if someone bought the item fair and square and didn't steal from the shop, why is it any different to buying from a car boot or a second hand shop or inheriting, you could say if you bought from a car boot stall and sold for 10x the amount should you give it back to the car booter, no of course not you have gained from your knowledge or you ability to take the time to find out about the item. Good luck to them