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ninathenana Sat 22-Feb-14 16:56:08

Sadly our lovely neighbour passed away last weekend. She shared a house with her brother who is in his eighties and is living with dementia. There are no other relatives.The problem is he is still driving and we and our other neighbours don't think he's safe. I followed him home from town a couple of days ago, it was a hairy experience!!
Our other neighbour has suggested to him that it's time to stop but he won't listen.
Would you report him to DVLA ?

mollie Sat 22-Feb-14 17:00:55

Without a doubt. He might hurt, or kill, someone.

rockgran Sat 22-Feb-14 17:02:53

It is difficult as you are a neighbour but could you not do it anonymously? You would feel terrible if he killed someone and you hadn't done anything to prevent it. If the other neighbours feel the same you could all just blame each other if he accuses you. A dilemma indeed.

shysal Sat 22-Feb-14 17:05:15

For the safety of others, as well as himself, I would either report him myself or ask his GP to get involved. You would never forgive yourself if you did nothing and then an accident happened.
What a shame his sister has died, how long do you think he will be able to cope alone?

Neeny Sat 22-Feb-14 17:07:39

For his own safety as well as the safety of others, I think the DVLA should be made aware.

Lona Sat 22-Feb-14 17:10:45

Yes, the DVLA and maybe a chat with the local police (if you have any!)
How would you feel if a child was killed or injured or your neighbour was hurt?

whenim64 Sat 22-Feb-14 17:20:09

I would contact the local police station and explain what the concerns are. If you're keen to remain anonymous, Crimestoppers will pass on the information.

JessM Sat 22-Feb-14 17:23:36

Posted yesterday on another thread re this - i really think it is time to stop this thing about older drivers certifying themselves as fit to drive! If you have dementia how are you supposed to know? And the numbers of older drivers on the road are increasing with the demographics. But I agree yes you should report.

whenim64 Sat 22-Feb-14 17:33:14

Many older drivers are cautious but fine to continue driving. If they're interested in improving their chances of avoiding an accident, the DVLA will ask them to be referred by their GP for a safer driving assessment, which can be free when sent from the GP. If they refuse, though, or insist on continuing to drive whilst unsafe, the police have a lot of experience in talking to elderly unsafe drivers, and a bit more clout.

merlotgran Sat 22-Feb-14 17:41:04

Just a couple of weeks ago an elderly woman suffering from dementia drove the wrong way along the A14 scaring the living daylights out of the drivers coming the other way. The police managed to stop her safely and she admitted she knew she was going the wrong way but didn't know how to get off. She must have been terrified as well.

Someone must have known she was still driving. hmm

mollie Sat 22-Feb-14 17:52:26

My f-i-l had to be run off the road by the police and his keys taken from him because he refused to accept he was a danger on the road. The poor policeman nearly had his head rammed in the car door, so furious was my f-i-l at the audacity of the man to think that he wasn't safe! But he'd got a reputation in the area for clipping the wing mirrors of cars and had nearly run his own granddaughter off the road. A year earlier he'd been told to get glasses, which he did but he refused to wear them, instead carried them in his pocket! When the police took his car keys and eventually his licence he was 93!

ninathenana Sat 22-Feb-14 17:55:18

shysal I have no idea who his GP is.
I will have a chat to our other neighbour see if we put both our names to it.
He now has carers twice a day. Not sure how ling this will work for.

Mishap Sat 22-Feb-14 20:23:50

We faced this situation a few years ago regarding a lady who had sadly had a stroke. We knew exactly how unsafe she was. DVLC told us to speak to her GP, which I did. He assured me that he would contact DVLC, but that he had to tell her that he planned to do this. I have no idea what he did or didn't do, but she is still on the road.

GillT57 Sat 22-Feb-14 21:52:05

Due to a tragedy locally there is I believe a law whereby a driving licence can be revoked instantly. The elderly gentleman had been asked to give up his licence when he clipped a petrol pump and bashed around getting out of the filling station. Later that week he clipped a kerb, lost control of his car and killed a 16 year old girl who was standing on the pavement.Her parents campaigned for the change in the law. So, as you surely don't want that to happen you must go to the police, give them his car registration number and tell them.

Nelliemoser Sat 22-Feb-14 22:20:31

report him talk to local community support officers about him in a way hat expresses concern. My friend has to "kidnap" her father's car keys to stop him driving, he was furious with her, but she did the right thing.

ninathenana Sat 22-Feb-14 22:31:52

If it was a relative I wouldn't think twice about reporting the person. It's just tricky when I hardly know the man.

seaspirit Sun 23-Feb-14 08:21:35

yes, before he kills a child, he also needs help before he burns down his house, or otherwise harms his self

glassortwo Sun 23-Feb-14 08:41:13

I wouldn't hesitate nina

Aka Sun 23-Feb-14 09:22:13

All that matters nina is that you know he has dementia. His GP should know this too, though it's a fine call where mild dementia starts and where it gets to the point that it's a danger to himself and others. If he has not declared his condition to his insurance company then his driving insurance is invalid too.

Aka Sun 23-Feb-14 09:24:07

Driving with Dementia

annodomini Sun 23-Feb-14 09:34:00

nina, if this gentleman needs carers twice a day, they may be able to tell you who his GP is. Do they know he is still driving?

Riverwalk Sun 23-Feb-14 09:43:32

nina as you've actually seen him driving dangerously I don't think there's a dilemma here. He needs to be reported.

rosequartz Sun 23-Feb-14 09:53:24

Our elderly neighbour reversed onto our front garden, pushing the council lamppost skewed. She had also been seen driving across roundabouts instead of round them. However, she had always been a terrible driver and probably never had to take a test.
Once I found her wandering around the supermarket car park looking for her car, when I pointed it out to her she assured me it wasn't hers, but then a couple of minutes later she said 'look, there it is' pointing at the same car. I could not forcibly stop her driving it and she got home OK. She always drove exceedingly slowly.
Just when we were all worrying about what to do about her, her son, who lived in another part of the country, took her to live in home near him.

rosequartz Sun 23-Feb-14 10:00:47

Ninathenana - having re-read my post I realise it's not much help to you. But I think you and other neighbours should report it to his GP and/or local police before something happens. A friend's elderly (in his 90s)FIL had promised to stop driving and said he would give the car to DGS, but managed to write it off, luckily injuring neither himself nor anyone else.

Aka Sun 23-Feb-14 10:48:29

If you read the link from the Alzheimer's Society it says clearly that family, friends and neighbours should contact the DVLA in these circumstances.