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Anniebach Sun 18-Jun-17 10:10:32

Difficult to word this . No politics please

Have we become too touchy feely? Too American - I feel you pain .

Remembering the Diana hysteria, Charles was uncaring father and husband, queenie very lucky Balmoral wasn't stormed and she was given a public hanging .

'Your people need you' 'show us you care'

Charles Spencer the adulterer and like his father a bully to his wife. He was applauded for a sentimental speech, not forgetting he first blamed the press then switched to the windsors.

I didn't need queenie, who did?

The same is happening now.

Why the need for public display of emotions?

This is not to lay blame for Diana's death or what is happening now, just wondering if anyone thinks as I do, I don't need celebrities or politicians or royals to do a public display of - I feel you pain .

Hope we are spared another rewording of Candle In The Wind

Why do we need this? I really am puzzled

Anniebach Fri 23-Jun-17 15:21:30

Elegran, exactly, it is not possible to feel another's pain so the expression means nothing, just empty words .

trisher Fri 23-Jun-17 15:42:28

From "No politics" you have as usual managed to turn this into an anti- Corbyn thread Annie Unfortunately for you most people are now coming to realise that you constantly repeat the same old sad phrases and produce the same old reasons for your opinions.
You don't think people can share pain, but you are a Christian and the point of the son of god being born as a man is surely that he shares the human condition and therefore shares pain. There are a number of Christian writings about this.
So if you are saying one person cannot share another pain you are in fact rejecting much of the Christian belief- St Paul said-
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. (2 Cor 1:3-4)
that is as God shares our pain, we share the pain of others.

Elegran Fri 23-Jun-17 15:46:11

Well, not completely empty, it is a way of saying that you can remember or imagine just how much the other person is suffering, and you feel very unhappy yourself that such a thing has happened to them. That is worth saying anyway.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 23-Jun-17 16:19:26

Because it is not possible to feel another persons pain, one can ache for someone suffering grief or illness but not feel the pain,,imagine it yes, feel it no.

Annie they have done the research; people can. Where is your proof that the research is incorrect?

Baggs Fri 23-Jun-17 16:20:57

"They"? who? Can you cite the research, please?

Baggs Fri 23-Jun-17 16:23:18

Also, "people can". Which people? All people or only a few?

I have never directly felt someone else's pain though I have often felt sympathy for someone in pain, either physical or emotional.

Anniebach Fri 23-Jun-17 16:29:20

Trisher, on Good Friday I always end up in tears, try hard not to but hearing the words from the cross are too strong. I hurt, I ache, I feel such sorrow, I do not feel the pain of nail hammered into my body or thorns being rammed on my head or a spear thrust into my side.

God feels our pain, I am not God, you it seems are

Anniebach Fri 23-Jun-17 16:32:24

So a husband who has sympathy pains with his wife in labour has gas and air or an epidural GG?

Where is the proof?

Anniebach Fri 23-Jun-17 16:34:15

Yes Elegran, but it doesn't explain why someone who said deeply saddened is accused of being cold dies it?

GracesGranMK2 Fri 23-Jun-17 16:52:49

Annie, Bags do you not read anything other than your own posts? (Rhetorical question - you obviously don'thmm) It is already on this thread and I am certainly not doing any more work for you.

Anniebach Fri 23-Jun-17 16:56:31

Any more work for me GG? I didn't know you had done any

devongirl Fri 23-Jun-17 17:00:44

She had, ab, in posting the information earlier (see page 12).

trisher Fri 23-Jun-17 17:01:02

Don't believe God Annieso I can't be an imaginary being. I am merely quoting what others have said about Christianity
Interestingly there have been experiments about this that disprove your opinion
scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2009/12/17/feeling-the-pain-of-others/

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 23-Jun-17 17:15:41

This article is about the subject of feeling another person's pain. British neuroscientists contribute.

Feeling someone else's pain

Anniebach Fri 23-Jun-17 17:38:05

Thank you Devengirl

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 23-Jun-17 17:54:58

Sorry, I got distracted writing my last post and trisher posted the same link. blush

Anniebach Fri 23-Jun-17 17:56:50

So when I saw the the tower on fire and felt sick, I wasn't realy feeling sick I was feeling their pain? No way sorry

Baggs Fri 23-Jun-17 17:56:51

Ah, yes, synesthesia. I had heard of that. The study referred to in two of the links is from 2009 and mentions a "significant minority" which doesn't mean very much. There is also the degree of synesthesia to be measured and large samples to be looked at for many more studies. I'm going to look for some.

I don't think the research invalidates what ab and I have been saying about ourselves.

trisher Fri 23-Jun-17 18:26:09

No, but it neither does it give you the right to question someone else's experiences.

Anniebach Fri 23-Jun-17 18:32:11

Realy? No one has the right to question a claimed experience is true?

trisher Fri 23-Jun-17 18:42:57

As it is something that is possible and an experience that it has been proved some people have then no you haven't. Well you may question it but your opinion has no validity unless you can actually prove it. (and you can't)
Interesting that someone who says she believes in God expects us not to question this, simply because she says so, but then is unwilling to even give others the benefit of the doubt, when they make a statement that's been proved to be true for some people.

Anniebach Fri 23-Jun-17 18:54:01

Expects you not to question belief in God? Pathetic, ask anyone who believes in God expects not to be questioned on their belief, good grief it happens on this forum more often than rain in Wales

trisher Fri 23-Jun-17 18:59:51

So if I say you don't believe in God does that make it true Annie? Of course not! Any more than you saying it is impossible for someone to share another person's pain is true. QED

GracesGranMK2 Fri 23-Jun-17 19:00:06

Realy? No one has the right to question a claimed experience is true?

As you are basically calling the person a liar when you do so and you have no way of substantiating you are right and they are wrong - I would say not Annie.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 23-Jun-17 19:04:30

I would also say that you owe Jen an apology but as no pigs have flown over today I shan't hold my breath.

As you like to refer to literature let me offer you a quote:

There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.