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Jane10 Thu 14-Feb-19 10:00:27

What do people think about the young woman who ran away to join ISIS and now wants to return here to have her baby in safety?
I don't know what to think. I'm sorry her last babies died but I'm horrified to hear her dismiss unbelievers' heads in bins as 'enemies of Islam'. Any thoughts?

Gonegirl Sat 16-Feb-19 10:50:49

You don't know what she thinks mycat. She said the severed heads didn't faze her. Perhaps after all she has seen that is unsurprising.

Of course she would have to be professionally de-radicalised.

Jalima1108 Sat 16-Feb-19 10:51:25

I have a friend who has been sending aid into camps both in Turkey and over the border in Syria for many years - and I expect this particular one will be better, cleaner and with much better conditions than some of the dire conditions that innocent Syrians are having to live in in some of the unofficial camps.

Jalima1108 Sat 16-Feb-19 10:52:31

My post was in reply to Gonegirl

Gonegirl Sat 16-Feb-19 10:53:38

Of course I have far more sympathy with innocent civillians than I have for IS supporters. But this girl went out there as a British child. We have a responsibility. And it's no use saying "but she's not a child now". She got suckered in.

Jane10 Sat 16-Feb-19 10:56:04

The camp was pictured on the news last night. It was full of heavily covered up women in black. How could an ISIS following woman be identified from the other poor souls?

Jalima1108 Sat 16-Feb-19 10:58:28

Anyone heard from Assad recently?

Urmstongran Sat 16-Feb-19 10:59:47

Not personally Jalima. ?

Gonegirl Sat 16-Feb-19 11:00:14

God! No! Nearly forgotten about him. shock Suppose he's still living the life of Riley. Arsehole.

EllanVannin Sat 16-Feb-19 11:00:17

If she were to return-----which seems likely, then because of her advanced stage of pregnancy there'd have to be nursing staff and midwives present for the 5/6 hour journey. Who then foots the bill for that ?

Chewbacca Sat 16-Feb-19 11:01:08

Would anyone, who has posted on this thread, feel comfortable with SB coming back to the UK? Would you feel that, even with a programme of deradicalisation taking place, that she could be trusted? Would you be happy that she would, at some point, be free to lead a free and normal life amongst you; knowing that she regrets none of the decisions she's taken thus far? Her reintroduction to society would come at a great deal of financial expense, funded by the British tax payer and she would be monitored closely for many years. Are you happy about that and do you feel the expense would be worth it? How bad does an individual's actions have to be before we, as a nation, say that there is no return from those choices and they should face up to the consequences on their own?

Jalima1108 Sat 16-Feb-19 11:02:39

There are hundreds of women giving birth in refugee camps - I know of one who gave birth in a shop doorway before being rescued - who were driven out by ISIS. I do not think she should be given preferential treatment to any other woman.

Gonegirl Sat 16-Feb-19 11:03:06

Would they use a military aircraft? With military personnel on board?

I don't honestly think it will happen. It would be too dangerous for the 'rescuers'.

Gonegirl Sat 16-Feb-19 11:05:16

How bad do you think her actions were Chewbacca? Going out there as a starry-eyed schoolgirl to marry, what she thought of as, a 'brave warrior?

Mycatisahacker Sat 16-Feb-19 11:08:34

GrannyGravy13 hope you are ok this morning I think some posters had been on the sauce last night to be so argumentative. wink

What you say is worrying indeed.

Couldn’t she stand trial in Syria? Of course I know in the chaos that may be impossible.

Liz46 Sat 16-Feb-19 11:18:18

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/231521

EllanVannin Sat 16-Feb-19 11:20:25

Chewbacca, the way I see it is that we already have appx. 300 known terrorists living in this country so another one isn't going to make any difference to the numbers.? DISGUSTED !!

The Home Office won't even release the true figures/numbers, nor the amount of immigrants/asylum-seekers who've " actually " been deported because of their criminal activities. Nothing in this justice system is ever transparent ! Then they wonder why we have terrorist incidents--------it beggars belief.

PECS Sat 16-Feb-19 11:23:14

Why are some so hung up on the cost of maternity ,care ? Really this is a bigger issue. Any british citizen is entitled to health care.

Buffybee Sat 16-Feb-19 11:24:59

I agree Mycatisahacker, the disgraceful rant by a certain rude poster because a couple of people had mistaken one of the ISIS girls father for another was totally over the top.
Surely it's not beyond them to politely point out someone's mistake, without all the "WTAF" and telling people that they shouldn't post.
Out of order!

Urmstongran Sat 16-Feb-19 11:27:45

Begs the question as to why 900 people have left Britain – a rich, stable, free country – to join a band of medieval fundamentalists. What could such a group possibly offer them that Britain can’t? Not “our NHS”, that’s for sure.
Most of us, when we think of Isil, think of beheadings, slaves and bombs. But the brutal displays of power and commando propaganda are just part of the picture. The violence might be an attraction to some angry souls, but what actually plays a bigger part in the terrorist group’s international appeal, especially to the young, is its promise of friendship, utopia and simplicity. One de-radicalisation specialist described it as offering recruits a chance to live in “Islamic Disneyland”.

The Isil videos on line portray an orderly, peaceful and family-oriented life. There are funfairs, well-behaved children, fighters petting stray cats, markets where good-natured but firm religious police prevent selling at prayer times and force women to wear gloves while washing fish. For the most part, recruiters don’t promise a luxurious existence. They promise something more tantalising: justice and belonging.

“The Caliphate fairly divides money among all the people, migrant and none migrant, so that there is no difference between Arabs and Persians, blacks or whites,” reads one document translated by the Quilliam Foundation. Isil’s promise of equality and inclusion (for Muslims only, of course) runs through all its writings. Its caliphate, it likes to claim, was a place without corruption, where the courts operated fairly and everyone had their role. The role of a woman might be a sedentary life of motherhood, but it was ordained by God.

This is what Ms Begum meant when she told The Times that her aspirations had been fulfilled: “It was like a normal life, like the life that they show in the propaganda videos.”

The only entry requirement was to “be a Muslim”.

PECS Sat 16-Feb-19 11:30:40

I disagree. I do think if a person is prepared to post very strong opinions about a very emotive subject it is important to know WTF you are actually talking about and show you know the background or you lose all credibility.

Jalima1108 Sat 16-Feb-19 11:32:05

"It was like a normal life, like the life that they show in the propaganda videos.”
but one where people are beheaded, the heads thrown into a bucket, where people are killed and her own two children died of malnutrition.

Not normal life as she lived in the UK then.

Urmstongran Sat 16-Feb-19 11:38:57

Nothing like life in the Western world Jalima - part of the appeal I suppose.

Buffybee Sat 16-Feb-19 11:48:08

Of course ISIS would make their living arrangements as comfortable for themselves as they could Urmstongran, a nice normal life to come back to after their killing sprees.
What about the Yazidi people who ISIS slaughtered, then enslaved their young girls.
The "wives" of ISIS fighters were often the jailers of these poor girls so that the man could come home and rape them, even children as young as 6 or 7.
I have no sympathy with anyone who has been party to making the lives of these disgusting animals, comfortable, in any way.

Mycatisahacker Sat 16-Feb-19 11:53:14

No it’s playground bullying to keep on picking at a poster that already apologised for her honest mistake. Telling someone they shouldn’t post is way OTT. I found it very uncomfortable to read.

Yes where is Assad?

I don’t think the military will be going in to get her out. Why should we.

I don’t honestly think these people can be de radicalised! It seems so ingrained. And it’s too much of a risk.

My view is she’s only wanting to come back because isis is retreating. If they had been winning and her circumstances were as they had been she wouldn’t be asking to return.

Nonnie Sat 16-Feb-19 11:57:35

Yes PECS of course I can spot a racist comment bit insulting that question. I am still waiting for those who have accused posters of being racist to show us which posts they consider racist.

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