ISIS girl

iam64

Spot on post. If you are accused of racism please ignore it. I grew up in one of the most ethnically diverse places in England and I absolutely understand and recognise all your points.

GG13 a quick response to your comment about British ex pat communities. Whilst I agree that the Brit communities often tend to gather together, so do other immigrant communities. People want to live near people with whom they share commonalities, be it faith/non faith, drinking alcohol/not drinking alcohol/ - its all about as you said, integrating into the community and feeling part of the country you live in. Look at any ex pat community in Spain, particularly and you're likely to find all day English breakfasts etc.
Equally come to the nw former mill town I live in and you'll find the largely Pakistani Muslim community living in one or at a push, two areas. The first immigrants in the 50's settled near the mills they were to work in. They wanted to buy food and clothing that were familiar to them, so shops grew up along the main road through that area. The white British community who could afford to move out, did exactly that and went to the suburbs.

I worked with a number of young, male, graduates from our local Pakistani Muslim community. Almost without exception, the married girls who were brought in from Pakistan, who knew and learned no English. The men had the 'benefit' of a western lifestyle outside the home and traditional lifestyle within it. The young Pakistani Muslim women who had the benefit of a University education were very challenging of their male colleagues attitudes.

I hope I'm not to be accused of racism or overly generalising. I speak of my learned experience.
Our Muslim Pakistani taxi drivers often have degrees in engineering or business studies. Presumably, like many other graduates, they struggle to find work linked to their degree subjects so taxi driving, building up a private business eg doing security/fitting burglar alarms meant their hard work left them earning enough to keep their families and buy houses. Good for them.
What I've also found amongst that hard working, likeable, law abiding and British Pakistani Muslim community is a general disbelief that 9/ll was the work of Saudi terrorists. They seem to genuinely believe the USA and "the Jews" are responsible.

I hope my posts make clear I'm not anti semitic and I don't believe the conspiracy theories that abound about 9/ll. I am definitely not anti Muslim or anti Pakistani Muslim in my town.

It’s perfectly fine to not want to integrate though. Many brits abroad don’t! It’s human nature to want to live amongst people with whom you identify.

What is not fine is breaking the law of the land you live in wherever that msy be and failing to adhere to that countries belief system and ideas.

No cultural or religious practises or beliefs should be allowed to flout the law of the land you live in.

Maryeliza I agree, it is about integrating into the community and feeling part of the Country you live in.

Unfortunately the Brits on the whole are not very good at this, hence all the British “ex-pat” communities found all over the globe.

The inference was that professional people are better integrated. I assume professional people are higher earners in most cases.

Anyhow its a waste of time trying to say anything. Its an absolutely terrifying world right now and its getting me down to be honest.

trisher my Asian friends are worried about what is happening in the UK. We have Hindu friends who are mistaken for Muslims and have been subject to abuse.

I really hope that the UK can come together and find a solution to stop these young people “going to the dark side” (Apologies for Star Wars reference)

But there are many examples of educated terrorists which is the distinction I was trying to make- being a doctor doesn’t mean you can’t be a terrorist.

Oh dear.

I don't think anyone has posted that "rich Muslims are OK" I think I tried to present a rational argument that there are areas in the country where Muslim communities are in close contact with some of the most deprived people, and people whose life styles differ vastly from theirs and that this may be a cause (not the only cause) of radicalisation. Of course it is a much more complicated subject and I believe the Muslim community is as concerned as anyone to try and prevent it happening. As some have said it is similar to recruitment to gangs and cults and isn't really only connected with Islam.

Lily 65 the taxi drivers and restraunters that I know are extremely comfortably off. It is as I said down to education, they bring their very young brides over here and discourage them from learning English and integrating. The men are happy to keep their wives at home.

Sorry if you disagree, but I am speaking of people that I know and have known for 30+ years.

Hahaha you really have no idea about what racism means or in the many sometimes subtle ways in which it is manifest do you? And therein lies the problem in general - not just on GN.

lilly65
I think your getting confused by making the leap between 'education' as mentioned by some posters and money.
It's true that there have been 'educated' Muslims going to fight for Isis but the majority aren't, just cannon fodder for 'the cause'

* mycat* I don’t want or need your praise and your definition of racism is sadly lacking. Haven’t you heard of ‘unconscious bias’ . Btw my previous post was in anticipation of your comment - I knew I’d get responses like that.

Nope getting facts wrong is not racism that’s utterly ridiculous and minimises real racism.

And before some of you start saying there is no racism on this thread - racism manifests itself in many ways. One is in not bothering to differentiate between similar sounding ( maybe to English speakers) ethnic names. Or maybe just a total lack of respect in thinking even unconsciously that you don’t have to check that you’re posting the truth because, well, deep down inside you don’t think that matters when discussing ‘them’

I wasn’t patronising you I was praising you for biting your tongue so to speak.

Just be mindful about the racism comments though. You can’t be racist to a religion or ideology or s belief. They are life style choices and can be mocked criticised and ignored.

Racism is purely hatred of those of another race.

My friend is a GP and husband a hospital consultant. They and their kids integrate well and are a well balanced family

I suppose it would be fair to say these people earn more than a taxi driver and therefore is rich.

I agree Iam ??

And don’t patronise me mycat

Well I guess my next post won’t pass muster but I’m sick of posts presenting themselves as facts

Lily65 I haven’t seen any posts “about rich Muslims being ok”?

Thank you Iam I’m sick to death of the casual racism on this thread as manifested by lies, untruths, libel and a total careless (at best) attitude that some posters exhibit in not bothering to check before they post.

Maryelisa

Your post is perfectly fine as you put your point but then are not personally abusive.

Well done

I certainly didn’t praise trump but in this instance he is correct.

Europe need to get their act together and make sure this is properly dealt with.

Even a massive Twat like him can be right occasionally.

maryeliza54 - is absolutely correct in saying that EV's post is completely incorrect.
I'm not criticising you maryeliza - I was so stunned by the praise of Trump that I forgot to suggest EV wasn't writing about the same young woman under discussion on this thread.