ISIS girl

Look, I'm not making her out to be a saint, or even a decent human being.

I just know she, and her child, shouldn't be abandoned out there. That's all I'm going to say now.

POGS what I am trying to think is would I?? If the internet and online grooming had been part of my experience? I hope I would not have..

but I bet there are GNers on here who have AC or siblings who took paths that are anathema to the family who thought they were doing a good parenting job!

Gonegirk I know I completely understand your POV. Completely agree re the child but it’s very difficult for me to sum up sympathy for her.

PECS

I don’t blame her parents By all accounts her parents are law abiding people and I hope they get their grandson back.

Shamima has just been on the news and said that a refugee camp is no place to bring up a baby.

Stupid, stupid, unthinking woman.

I don't suppose that any of the women driven out by ISIS and living in worse conditions than that refugee camp think any different - and some of them gave birth to babies born of rape by such brave warriors as her husband.

Indeed jamilia1108

She sounds as thick as mince to be honest with zero insight empathy or pity.

At least she could go to hospital to give birth and not have her baby somewhere like this:

PECS

Two posts and you still say the same thing.

'POGS what I am trying to think is would I?? If the internet and online grooming had been part of my experience? I hope I would not have..

but I bet there are GNers on here who have AC or siblings who took paths that are anathema to the family who thought they were doing a good parenting job!"
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I am sure as with my family a lot of GN posters have relatives who took paths that are/were an anathema to the family but for heavens sake I hope that did not include thinking it was OK to slaughter, crucify, behead, rape and enslave other people.

Can you not see a difference between Billy Graham and ISIS behind your reasoning.

Of course there is a difference. The similarity is that some young people are highly impressionable and easily swayed.

It is an actual medical fact for example that a young man's brian is not fully formed until he is in his 20's.

IS don't try to recruit 30 somethings do they?

Can I just make it clear before anybody jumps on me, I do not support this young woman and the regime.

I agree Lily65 and PECS that young people can be idealistic.

I hope that mine wanted to 'save the rainforests', the 'coral reef' 'teach refugees' etc and not to behead people.

I accept that Lilly but there’s grooming to have sex or take drugs or alcohol or steal a car! but grooming to shrug at the beheaded child, not care about rape and slavery and accept killing and torture is very very extreme.

She’s wasn’t a nice kid really was she.

And she comes across just as bad now as a woman. Cold lacking in empathy or pity and only concerned for herself.

presumably her brain was not fully formed

If her brain was not fully formed at that time, could it be that any 'brainwashing' that has occurred is irreversible?

cold lacking in empathy
That's reminding me that some on Facebook are using the word psychopath.

Good point jalima

I have to agree with your last comment Mycatisahacker I have watched her interview and she is totally self centred.

I caught up on a discussion today that said at 15, she was just a child and had no idea what she was getting into.

No way! We have criminal responsibility from age 10 here and have convicted young children of some horrid crimes, indicating that they know what they're doing and that it is wrong.

At 15 she knew who ISIS were, their goals, their views and she went an joined them. To say she was a fooled child is ridiculous.

As for coming back, I find it hard to believe a group like ISIS would let her go or escape. Either they have let her go for a reason (meaning she is a terror threat) or they won't be far behind her.

I think the qualities of a psychopaths are lack of pity empathy and you put your own needs first always. Good liar and no pity or real understanding or regard for other people’s suffering or well being.

Mmmmmm

Good point about criminal responsibility.

She is the focus of discussion but she is not the only one.

Did anyone else see the Canadian woman who wants to go 'home' to Canada?
She is 46
I wondered if she had mental health problems or thought that ISIS could provide something which was lacking in her life?

Goodness knows but we also have to accept that evil exists and not just in men maybe?

Following on from Jalima's esrlier post re the Canadian women who are wanting to go home from the Syrian camps; I've noticed a distinct similarity with what they say and what SB has said.

A pregnant Alberta woman who moved to Syria with her ISIS-supporting husband and their two young boys says she wants to return to Canada.
The woman, whose first name is Amy, is one of four Canadian ISIS brides who spoke to CTV News from inside the Kurdish-run Al-Hawl refugee camp in eastern Syria
“I don’t regret this,” she said.
“I want to be able to raise him or her in a safe environment,” she added, “I think I should be allowed to go home,” Amy added. “I don’t believe I did anything wrong. I didn’t kill nobody. I didn’t do any harm to anybody.”
“I want to be with my family,” she went on. “I want my kids to go to school and get a proper education.

And:

Two Canadian women who went to join ISIS in the Middle East have shown no remorse for doing so, according to a New York Times reporter in Syria, who says she spoke to them in recent days.^ "They've described life under the Islamic State as being, quote, "normal," said Rukmini Callimachi, a foreign correspondent for the New York Times and host of the podcast Caliphate. They seemed to be intent on justifying some of the horrible practices that we know of, that the group carried out, and they were not willing to express regret for having travelled to the caliphate," she told The Current's guest host Piya Chattopadhyay.

None of them seem to have any regrets. None of them think that they've done anything to apologise for. All of them think that they should be brought back, at tax payers expense, to their original country; irrespective of what they've done.

And interestingly, the Canadians don't seem to be in too much of a hurry to get them out of their current predicament, any more than we are. Good.

Lily 65

'IS don't try to recruit 30 somethings do they?'
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Of course they have / do! That is a naive comment.

Daesh like all terrorist organisations will take whatever they can get - no morals, ethics or conscience.

It’s very similar chewbacca

Wasn’t the Westminster attacker in his 50s?

One thing that slightly worries me, is that she said her children died of malnutrition, but she herself looks very well nourished