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School parents join forces to fight ‘trans propaganda’

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FarNorth Sun 04-Aug-19 20:41:34

From The Times :

For Tanya Carter, a mother of four girls, the death of Jayden Lowe, a transgender teenager who took his own life last year after buying hormone treatment from doctors online, was the last straw.

Carter had already begun to question some of the advice being given to children about changing sex when Jayden, 18, died.

He had attended the sixth-form college in Cambridgeshire where one of her children is a pupil.

“My heart breaks for the loss of . . . a truly special and talented individual with so much to offer,” she said.

Carter, a former chairwoman of school governors, has watched with concern as schools across the country draw up LGBT policies and guidelines. She said some are inviting specialist lobby groups to advise children who are questioning their gender identity about how to transition from girls to boys and vice versa.

“I am extremely concerned about what I am witnessing my children encounter in their schools and online and also the national picture,” she said. “I have seen other girls at school with my children ‘transition’: according to what I have seen online on their social media accounts, sometimes this happened without parental consent.”

Now Carter has joined other parents, teachers, doctors and psychologists to campaign for change. The Safe Schools Alliance has 150 members all over the country and more than 1,000 followers on social media.

The group says schoolgirls’ rights to single-sex changing rooms and lavatories have been eroded by school policies that encourage gender-neutral facilities.

It also says that children questioning their gender identity are being encouraged towards “drastic and irreversible” medical interventions such as drugs that block puberty. In some cases parents are not being told by schools that their children are asking to be treated as a different gender.

The group has written to ministers to raise its concerns. It wants to work with schools to improve their LGBT and safeguarding policies and to offer alternative counselling to children and families.

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/school-parents-join-forces-to-fight-trans-propaganda-593h3hqrl?shareToken=86049f4ae2557d533888112d1973f44e&fbclid=IwAR3XR6l-iRCyZCa86fmjW4qED4GGe3b0YqWYFwUlsDej4dB-vJ_A1jBeQFc

FarNorth Tue 03-Sep-19 19:14:14

confused American??

That Spectator article is by a teacher in a Scottish school, talking about the UK.

The age of the children isn't mentioned. I don't expect that 16 years plus are the only ones meant.

FarNorth Tue 03-Sep-19 19:19:02

the equivalent of treating heterosexuals as if they are all paedophiles

You do know that anyone, whatever their sexual orientation, has to undergo background checks if they want to work with children, young people, disabled people, elderly people, anyone who may be vulnerable.
That is not because everyone is believed to be an abuser.
Do you think we shouldn't have those checks?

HettyMaud Tue 03-Sep-19 19:21:27

I'm with EllanVannin. We don't want to hear about it constantly.

trisher Tue 03-Sep-19 19:26:02

No she isn't FarNorth. She is a graduate in music who taught in Scottish schools for a short time went to do post grad etc in New York and was working as an intern at the Spectator- writes a lot of stuff where she pretends to be asking questions but is actuually expressing an opinion. Still good to know people ctually read what they post.

lemongrove Tue 03-Sep-19 19:31:54

FarNorth reading your OP and articles written about this, should make us all realise that that too much is happening too fast as regards trans teenagers.
Glad to see that people are waking up to that fact and not simply giving in to trans activist pressure.
In any case, there should never be a trans child ( as opposed to a teenager.) Children need time.

trisher Tue 03-Sep-19 19:34:17

I wasn't refering to people who work with children by the way but every heterosexual alive, that may include you (I don't know) and me. I take it you wouldn't want a paedophile's opinions or actions to be thought the same as yours? Well I should imagine there are transgender people who do not behave like the people who make the head lines but live quiet inoffensive lives like the rest of us. Why should they suffer because there are a few people who act in ways you find unacceptable and which are the subject of tabloid headlines?

paddyann Tue 03-Sep-19 19:36:47

theres an awful lot of victim mentality on this site ,like every other faction of society there may be some who "pretend" to be what they are not.That is irrefutable but to brand all transgender people with the same iron is totally ridiculous.
The TWO young people I know who are transgendering from female to male have alwys believed they were in the wrong bodies .It took a lot of doctors appointments and even more phychiatrist/psychologists to get them to the stage they are at now .Just receiving hormones after a real struggle to be believed .Thankfully they have parents ,families .freinds and schools who have supported ..NOT encouraged, them on the way .Scaremongering isn't helpful to any one,hopefully the folk on here are wise enough and old enough to understand that things change even though it may not be a change YOU want .If it doesn't affect you...in as much as you haven't come across males pretending to be females in toilets then ,honestly I 'd advise you to put it out of your mind

Doodledog Tue 03-Sep-19 19:58:20

Who is branding all transgender people with the same iron?

GagaJo Tue 03-Sep-19 22:12:05

lemongrove, trans does NOT mean taking hormones or having surgery. It means a person identifying as something other than their biology.

To say 'In any case, there should never be a trans child ( as opposed to a teenager.) Children need time.' is TOTALLY denying how a child feels about themself and their identity.

It is generally agreed by child psychologists that children begin to develop their gender identity between 18 months and 3 years.

It is totally likely that a child will know there is a problem by the age of 5 / 6 / 7. They may want to wear clothes of the opposite sex. Play with non stereotypical gendered toys. That child could well be trans. Of course they aren't having surgery or taking hormones.

What gives OTHERS the right to say what can and cannot happen in the lives of others? How arrogant and lacking in compassion.

notanan2 Tue 03-Sep-19 23:26:13

It is totally likely that a child will know there is a problem by the age of 5 / 6 / 7. They may want to wear clothes of the opposite sex. Play with non stereotypical gendered toys.

"A problem" ???? Why is not following gender steriotypes a "problem" now?

If a child rejects gender steriotypes you tell them "no problem, girls dont have to wear dresses, boys can play with dolls, there are now boys/girls toys or colours"
NOT:
"Girls who dont like dresses and dolls might be boys cause they are boy things to do"!

Doodledog Tue 03-Sep-19 23:27:42

Couldn't agree more, notanan2.

notanan2 Tue 03-Sep-19 23:27:59

It means a person identifying as something other than their biology.

Like say? A cat?
I did go through a phase as a kit of saying I WAS a cat!

GagaJo Tue 03-Sep-19 23:46:43

notanan2, mock all you like. If you had a miserable 13 year old in front of you, who clearly needs support, in a school system with little money or time, then maybe you'd have a bit more pity.

It's a reality for some children. I have no idea why so many people lack compassion for the pain of a child!

GagaJo Tue 03-Sep-19 23:48:16

My grandson is happily wandering round with a bit of nail varnish on. I'm assuming he'll be a regular boy.

I was using those examples to show that SOME children know early on that they don't fit the stereotype of their gender, because they have some deeper seated issue. And that it can manifest itself very early.

But I expect you know that. Just a lack of empathy.

FarNorth Wed 04-Sep-19 00:00:35

Here's a BBC video, for teachers to use with 9-12 year olds.

www.bbc.co.uk/teach/class-clips-video/rse-ks2-identity-understanding-sexual-and-gender-identities/zfqrhbk?fbclid=IwAR0MeMDkw9x3NBNcMG481c0kLE9JO8t-FTmCHJvMIv9hvvndEba7Q48hzbw

GagaJo Wed 04-Sep-19 00:06:09

Looks good! Would be very useful with a student I have at the moment.

notanan2 Wed 04-Sep-19 00:06:35

I'm not mocking.

If you are telling children they can change sex, you are lying to them!

notanan2 Wed 04-Sep-19 00:10:21

It's a reality for some children. I have no idea why so many people lack compassion for the pain of a child!

Trans ideology taught in school is causing a HUGE amount of pain as well as long term health problems for children, where's your compassion for the damage its doing and for detransitioners whose bodies and minds were ruined in persuit of a lie

GagaJo Wed 04-Sep-19 00:10:29

1) I would never TELL anyone anything like that.

2) Watch the video. It's very useful.

3) Your reality isn't a trans person's reality. Their genitalia doesn't match their gender identity.

4) They can. In some places, their identification can be changed to fit the gender they change to.

notanan2 Wed 04-Sep-19 00:17:24

www.transgendertrend.com/letter-to-young-trans-people/

GagaJo Wed 04-Sep-19 00:17:27

'Trans ideology taught in school'

If you think the Conservative designed, all about profit, academy chains that currently run the UK school system allow teachers enough time to do the above AS WELL as teaching classes of 35, doing before school, break time and after school duties, not to mention meetings several nights a week, marking upwards of 200 books every two weeks AND spending hours planning lessons, you have NO idea of the reality of the life of a teacher.

Not to mention why the hell you think any teacher would do that!!!!

Teachers are teachers because they CARE for children. They support them, help them, guide them. They sure as hell do not have any particular bias. They / WE respond to student need. We don't create it!

Just as some students have sexuality issues, some students have gender issues. Some have difficult home lives, some have problems with their parents. None of this is new. It's always been there.

notanan2 Wed 04-Sep-19 00:18:13

www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

notanan2 Wed 04-Sep-19 00:21:13

Not to mention why the hell you think any teacher would do that!!!!

Because training and educational resources from dubious sources such as Mermaids ARE being used in UK schools.

notanan2 Wed 04-Sep-19 00:23:09

Staff from gender clinics are raising the alarm about the current trends.

GagaJo Wed 04-Sep-19 00:24:12

Well, I've worked in 5 UK schools and nothing like that has occurred in any of them.

Which schools is this happening in?

If anything, most staff are at a loss of how to deal with the obvious trans children we have in school.