Environment and 'Ok Boomer'

Not me either.

But someone has just posted it on the ‘good morning’ thread.
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Only online.

Never heard of okboomer either.
And to be honest my adult children and my Grandchildren think the World of me, are very kind and thoughtful people and would definitely defend us older ones against all this rubbish.
I'm not concerned at all, as the ones who despise older people are not in the majority by any stretch of the imagination.

Gonegirl you probably haven't heard it because you're not a boomer, nor am I!

Is that why you needed to find the age thread, to remind yourself how old you are?

I get a bit fed up with sly digs at me.
Sorry, just couldn't resist

I did notice today, as I walked round a very busy town then in M&S to do some food shopping, I stood aside let younger people through who had pushchairs or small children whizzing around. Not being entirely altruistic, I didn't want to get bumped as I have been sometimes.

Not many of them said thank you, in fact many just walked past as if I wasn't there.
I'd never noticed this before. I felt invisible.

Useless degrees that are really not required to do a bog standard job. Of course a degree is required for Doctors, scientists and engineers but why for heavens sake a nurse for example. Or, a police officer? These people learn a lot more on the job than sat in a classroom.

With reference to compulsory education until the age of 16. There are part time jobs, it’s not illegal to work, volunteering or education and working until the age of 18.

Frankly, to sit in a call centre, with a degree that has to be paid for is a waste of the persons time and money.

Callistemon

No! I can just about remember how old I am.

I wouldn't take not being thanked to heart Callistemon.
Young Mums rushing around food shopping, pushing prams and with small children whizzing round would quite possibly have not even noticed that you stood aside.
I think young Mums are under so much pressure these days, working and running homes.
When I think back, I didn't work from a few months before my first was born to after the last one going to secondary school and even then it was my choice.
I seriously don't know how my daughter does it, with three children, working 30 hours but having to work at home in the evenings as well and her husband working away all week.
She has told me many times that she doesn't think that she could cope without my help.

We are wallpaper Callistemon I’ve got used to it (just about!).

No - I find the opposite. To be fair, young mums seem very polite and friendly in real life. Bless.

I have no idea what you are all going on about! It reminds me of visiting my brother in Germany in the 70s and all the conversations were a series of initials that seemed like a military code. Probably best if I remain blissfully ignorant!

Perhaps I should start frisking family members before allowing them to hug me just in case they are armed and dangerous.

Of course a degree is required for Doctors, scientists and engineers but why for heavens sake a nurse for example. Or, a police officer? These people learn a lot more on the job than sat in a classroom

Coolio because nurses need to understand the science behind what they are doing with patients. They also need to be able to think & use their initiative.
Modern policing is a complex operation requiring highly intelligent men and women.
An education is never wasted.

A degree may or may not be necessary for a particular job, but it teaches students to think critically, to apply concepts and theories across a range of areas and to be independent and able to mix with a range of different people.

I feel sorry for young people who work hard towards their degrees, only to have them 'rubbished', either by people claiming that they are easier to get now than in their day, or by those who didn't get one and claim that all degrees are useless.

It's not surprising that some young people lose patience with the older generations, really.

The more degrees about, the better. Education is all.

Buffybee am I your daughter?
No, silly question, but her life sounds like mine 35 years ago.
Plus having an elderly disabled mum to care for.

How did I do it?
Actually, some of them were couples today, lucky them, DH used to avoid the shopping as he wasn't home much. He likes food shopping now!

The older the person, the more polite they seemed to be.

I do think that bringing back the SEN or equivalent is a good idea for those who want to go into nursing but not take a degree.

SENs were wonderful

notanan, it came up during a discussion about the choice of vehicles and environmental impact- My take was families don't need SUVs, they can fit 3 children in the back seat of a sedan- The use of it (ok boomer) of course sparked laughter and derailed the discussion-

It's a numbers game trap Boomers do create choices, qualifications and legislate- By design the game is set up to entice spending and generate profit for boomers When millennials over-spend which the game is designed to entice them to do the earth itself also pays-

I'm not saying millennials are the only generation to practice over-spending- I'm just stating a fact-

Callistemon The healthcare assistant role is an option for someone who wants to work in hospitals with patients, but who doesn’t want to take a degree in nursing.

Sorry janainsworth, disagree with you regarding nurses and police officers.

People and their bodies have not changed from when nursing’s started, we are the same. Degrees are not required, the public have been led to believe that you need to be more clever to do this work. The same with policing. You cannot enter in the middle or the top and expect respect from lower ranks to those who have never walked the streets in their lives. Degree entrants come into the job and issue orders without really knowing what they are talking about, no wonder the forces are in such a state.

families don't need SUVs, they can fit 3 children in the back seat of a sedan

Rosecarmel in the U.K., health & safety regulations make the use of age-appropriate child restraints mandatory. You can’t fit 3 child car seats across an ordinary sedan(saloon) car. Children need these restraints till they are about 8, so many families need SUVs.

I agree Doodledog. Degrees do let people apply their theories etc. The problem is, that some of the degrees are not worthwhile. Families want their children to go to Uni to obtain a degree that really is not worthwhile, saddling the person with debt for something that is useless.

The top two classes at school went on to A levels, mid classes went on to Tech to do plumbing, carpentry, nurses, admin etc. The bottom two went on to hairdressing, factory, shopwork. None of this work was not seen as noble? Nowadays, the child has to have a degree, why? Why saddle an underachiever with debt? I have watched a relative go to Uni against his wishes, achieve a 2/2 and now work in the capitol. His friends went to college, did an old fashioned apprenticeship via their father and earn a lot more and own their own home in their latter 20’s than my relative in the capitol in some sort of bedsit! Snobbery and Jones, I believe.

Nothing wrong with SEN’s. Healthcare assistant sound like Auxillary nurse to me.

CoolioC I think you are talking about the past, though. There were jobs around then for people without degrees, but even so, it was a lot easier for those who had them to get decent salaries and job satisfaction.

The expansion of higher education has meant that whilst it is true that not everyone who has one is guaranteed a good job for life, far more people have a chance to make a career, rather than a job.

In the days when fewer than 10% of people went to university, a degree in anything would lead to a profession, or a managerial job, whilst people with fewer qualifications had a much harder time. Now that more people have degrees, the privilege that used to be given automatically to graduates has gone, and I sometimes wonder whether there is an element of resentment about that.

I also wonder why people think that some degrees are not worthwhile. How do they know? All any of us have is experience of what we have studied, and who has studied countless degree subjects?

It may be that people can't immediately see the value of some courses, but unless they have seen the validation documents, or sat in on the countless meetings with QAA, external examiners etc that are required simply to make changes to modules, never mind propose a new degree, they really aren't in a position to judge.

Anything else is simply prejudice or anecdotal 'evidence', surely?

Working in my early years at a further education college, it was wonderful to watch builder, plumbers, carpenters, tradespeople go through. After 1982, saw the decline in these colleges to become the Cinderella of education. Higher education colleges that delved out HND’s turned into Universities that still to this day give out second rate degrees.

I understand that employers can cherry pick the best as they always have but now choosing from 1st rate Universities and second rate. This for students as some have written about on here must be truly crushing. A life of debt? I wonder how many 18 year olds when getting their A level results realise along with their parents that employers grade Universities? I find it a sad reflection that parents etc are so set upon getting their child into University they cannot see that it’s the child that will be saddled with debt.

I left Further Education as it became clear that there was just no point. Import knowledge and hands on from other countries where some countries produce “jack of all trades, master of none”.

janea auxiliary nurses, now known as healthcare assistants are a much ,lower grade and much less qualified than the old State Enrolled nurses. I believe they coukdmadvance to Staff Nurse but not Sister, nurses needed to be State Registered to advance to sister and beyond.

The SENs I came across seemed caring and extremely competent and not above carrying out practical nursing to make patients comfortable something which seems sadly lacking these days.