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I feel sorry for Prince Harry

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Artdecogran Sun 12-Jan-20 12:00:22

After looking at all the news reports etc I have come to the conclusion that Harry is really stuck in the middle of his wife and the RF. Meghan married Harry very quickly, which can cause difficulties in ‘normal’ families, but with the emotionally constipated RF it was a disaster waiting to happen. If someone like Diana, who had experience of royalty couldn’t cope with the way of life or the hold the courtiers have over proceedings, how could a feisty American. Catherine has only managed it because she and William took a very long time to get her settled into the RF.
Moving to a new country, getting married, having a baby and trying to fit into the RF is a heavy burden, and then being bullied completely by the press is enough to make anyone crack. The daily mail is still dredging up anyone they can to slate Meghan and Harry.
Harry is trying to protect his wife, and according to recent reports, has tried to initiate changes but has been rebuffed at every stage. I would think that seeing the photos on the Queen’s desk didn’t show him or Meghan or their son was hurtful and an indication that they no longer counted. The further photos of the 4 reigning/next in line would surely have pushed home that point.
Harry has slumped down the line of succession, the same thing that happened to Andrew, Anne and Edward. But they had each other to share this change of status and that surely made matters easier.
I think Harry feels very alone and impotent and is trying very hard to change things for his wife, but has had to make a huge fuss to get anyone to listen. If you add in his own personal problems then I am very surprised that he is still trying to go forward instead of just giving up. Perhaps now the RF will abandon their stiff upper lip and treat Harry better than they did Diana.
Sorry for long waffle.

Iam64 Mon 13-Jan-20 19:47:09

Annie -not sure what your'e getting at. Many people read the DM and the Times for example, both of which published stories which were based on either lies or misinformation.

Fennel Mon 13-Jan-20 19:49:48

Iam I agree 100%.
It's so disappointing to see how the media have manipulated this situation, which is so common in all families, and even convinced some members on here.
Come on Grans, where is your experience compassion and common sense?

Meta Mon 13-Jan-20 19:52:34

Interesting comparing the treatment of Harry and Meghan to William and Kate by the press
www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal?__twitter_impression=true

tickingbird Mon 13-Jan-20 19:57:37

M probably has been subjected to racism but that isn’t why I don’t warm to her. The Wimbledon story was true. She took her seat in the middle of a few empty ones and had her security stop anyone taking pics. She could have sat down without drawing attention to herself but didn’t.

Also when the stories started to be leaked from the palace regarding her being difficult to staff one royal correspondent said that when this happens there’s normally something behind it. Think back to the Diana years before the divorce. We used to hear stuff being leaked from the palace and eventually it all came out and was factual. I do believe she’s been difficult and couldn't fit in with royal life. They either shouldn’t have married or Harry should have left before they married. I very much doubt M would have been happy about that though.

maddyone Mon 13-Jan-20 20:11:17

Merlot and Tickingbird, spot on posts.
The whole sorry saga is a mess and a shame. I hope they can settle down to a life in Canada/America and we don’t hear too much about them. However I have my doubts about that because Meghan appears to thrive on publicity. Poor Harry has been completely separated from his family, his support systems, and even his friends. I don’t know if he’ll thrive, away from his entire family. The whole thing is a mess in my opinion. Little Archie will grow up knowing only his maternal grandmother and not knowing any of his other extended family, nor his birthright. He is part of an extended family in Britain, and if, as has been suggested, Meghan chooses to stay away from racist Britain, then he will never know the family into which he was born.

merlotgran Mon 13-Jan-20 20:19:44

Is there no racism in the USA?

Are there no tabloid newspapers?

Do the paparazzi never go there?

What will they do if Trump gets a second term?

Has Pierre Trudeau been forgiven for blacking up?

What about their carbon footprint?

hmm

Callistemon Mon 13-Jan-20 20:22:21

Goodness me, racism is rife in areas of the USA.
Whether there is racism here in the UK is a debatable issue; however I have not seen any directed against Meghan.

If people in the UK are racist, why have they all taken Doria to their hearts?

Iam64 Mon 13-Jan-20 20:40:41

Hello - did anyone read annodomino's link with its summary of the content of the concerns Harry and Meghan list about the media coverage.

How come so many British people find it so difficult to accept that casual, unthinking racism is part of our lives. Same goes for casual misogyny and no doubt many other negatives that we'd all prefer to deny exist or even, some of us show in our behaviour.

GagaJo Mon 13-Jan-20 20:43:26

Exactly Iam64

jura2 Mon 13-Jan-20 20:50:44

Yes- give them space and time FGS

GrannyLaine Mon 13-Jan-20 20:55:33

merlot I think Jameela will be proved wrong. The Queen has taken just the right approach - essentially appearing supportive of what H & M want, describing it as a transitional arrangement, reinforcing her preference to have them as full time members of the Royal family and letting it all play out.......giving them enough rope to tie themselves up in. Its taken the heat out of the situation. THAT is what power looks like.

tickingbird Mon 13-Jan-20 20:57:07

Yes I did read it and it’s appalling but it isn’t all about racism. Being told to put the wokeness to sleep isn’t anything to do with colour. Does anyone remember when Princess Michael of Kent used to get so much flak. She was called a nazi repeatedly and the press nicknamed her Princess Pushy. It wasn’t a fleeting thing either, it went on for ages. Not right for anyone to be crucified continually by our press but others have all weathered the storm and it eventually dies down. It’s the public that matter, not the press and I don’t think Meghan has ever received anything but warmth and affection whenever she’s been meeting the public.

The fact is marrying into the RF hasn’t been what she thought it would be. Yes, great wealth, fabulous jewels and clothes but at a price - loss of autonomy to a degree. It’s not the same as being a movie star. She couldn’t or more like wouldn’t hack it and let’s be honest, going back to my previous post, there’s has been rumours about them relocating to North America for a long time so yet again, it’s not all lies made up by journos.

MawB Mon 13-Jan-20 20:57:13

Has Pierre Trudeau been forgiven for blacking up?

Was it not Justin Trudeau!

tickingbird Mon 13-Jan-20 20:59:50

Ih that dudn

tickingbird Mon 13-Jan-20 21:01:09

Flipping phone!

That didn’t matter because it was Trudeau, the most woke person on the planet. Can you imagine if it had been Trump?

sparkii Mon 13-Jan-20 21:03:19

It did matter, very much indeed. Otherwise how would we be talking about it?

tickingbird Mon 13-Jan-20 21:05:45

We aren’t talking about it. We’re talking about H and M and Trudeau happened to be mentioned. Think it was to do with double standards.

merlotgran Mon 13-Jan-20 21:12:17

You're right, Maw. It was Justin Trudeau.

lemongrove Mon 13-Jan-20 21:15:29

Good post ticking20:57:07

Calendargirl Tue 14-Jan-20 08:18:34

Just been reading the Queen’s statement. It’s relatively short, but the word ‘family ‘ is used eight times.
I’m sure we are all ‘Sussexed out’, but for what it’s worth, and I realise many aren’t bothered, I predict Harry will soon head off to Canada where they will keep a relatively low profile whilst the arrangements are thrashed out.
I think it will soon be (quietly) announced that Baby number 2 is on the way, and the transition period will encompass that.
After maternity and paternity leave, the next phase of their life will begin.

Anniebach Tue 14-Jan-20 08:35:04

They got everything they publicly demanded.

maddyone Tue 14-Jan-20 08:47:49

Indeed they did Annie, just as you predicted.

Anniebach Tue 14-Jan-20 08:58:27

They played the winning hand maddy, give us what we want or we will talk .

The royals have always kept their private lives private. Diana
knew this so wrote her book, did the panorama interview, made sure the press photographed her on holiday with the
Fayeds, had her chosen newspaper reporters standing by and
photographers .

sparkii Tue 14-Jan-20 09:01:35

What a delight you are indeed tickingbird.

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