I feel sorry for Prince Harry

It's ok for Megan as she has her cronies and mother abroad, but what of Harry? He's leaving his family and all he's familiar with behind. What happens when all the excitement has worn off of living away from home? Will he become unhappy with living away from all he was brought up to know?

As for the media, they will trading in the British press for the American one, which could be just as bad, if not worse.

I think that it is disrespectful to the Queen that Megan didn't stay and discuss their future together instead of running back to Canada and leaving Harry to face the music. The queen is elderly with an ailing husband and my opinion is that they should have stayed and help out with royal duties.

And what of Frogmore. Maybe they will open it up to the public!

Camilla was a debutante in 1965 and met Charles at a polo match in 1970. She was considered unsuitable for Charles as apparently she had had previous lovers. Nonetheless it wasn’t a rags to riches story was it?

I'm glad that H&M are going to earn their own money and live abroad. I personally think that the Royal firm is way too large and I would make them all redundant except for the Queen, prince Philip, wills and Kate plus kids. All the rest are unnecessary hangers on. Well done Harry for acting like a grown up

Yes, I think the Polo set jolbrook but she was not aristocratic.

Diana grew up knowing the royal children, but she was more Andrew's age.

Thanks for that information Annie, I don’t remember any of it. Maybe I was too busy working/family raising etc so it crossed my radar without me absorbing it.

P. S I know I've missed Charles and Camilla out. It's intentional ?

I’m sorry but I don’t agree that Meghan was pestered by the press. She is a grown woman who said at their engagement she understood. Diana was a 19 year old lady who was very close to the the royal family. You cannot compare the two. I feel Harry has disrespected the Queen. Whatever happens it won’t affect us. So whatever the Queen etc decides us OK with me. However there should be a cut in financial help to them both, in particularly long if they are cutting royal duties.

Venus, I agree.

paperback did you leave them out because they don't receive any public money?

It's perfectly possible to move towards a more negative oppinion of someone without hating them.Why would I hate MM?-I don't hate anyone let alone someone I haven't actually met.
However I am disillusioned and disappointed with H and M have gone about this.And it's just as offensive to me to have it insinuated it's racist because now retrospectively I feel the British public have been played somewhat - and for that I do feel more blame lies with MM.I find now it seems disingenuous to claim she barely new who Harry was,yet was a huge fan of Diana's.I baulked at the 56k engagement dress.Wether it was lent or privately purchased -the latter I think.That aside I did watch the wedding and like so many was happy for Harry and couldn't care two hoots about her being bi -racial.I really thought she would get stuck in and get out and about with him to all corners of the UK and be a huge asset.Sadly that's not going to happen.K +W are up in Bradford tomorrow visiting projects for social cohesion.More of that please.
And for those who say all the monarchy is a waste of time DH has been involved with the Princes Trust seeing first hand the great work that's done in linking local businesses to a school in an area of social deprivation near us.
To some extent I do feel sorry for Harry.The closeness with his brother and cousins shone through.He must be so torn. And I can appreciate MM is a new mum -my own DD was a moody nightmare after her first was born.And acknowledges it now!
I just can't understand why MM isn't at Harry's side here if only for a short time whilst the family negotiate.And the acres of negative press about her now is far more than if she- and they-had taken a different approach.

Anne dated Camilla’s husband . Diana grew up at Sandringham, her fsther was equerry to the Queen, her maternal grandmother was lady in waiting and close friend to the queen mother, the Queen went to Diana’s parents wedding and is Godmother to Diana’s brother.

Charles dated Diana’s sister but she talked to the press, no problem, Diana was keeping herself ‘tidy’. She use to holiday
at Balmoral.

It is sad to see how badly and quickly this has all gone wrong. The Daily Mail has a recent article showing (nastily I thought) the cost of all the outfits M had worn when out on various formal public engagements. What it did show was just how much of this they have done for the RF since they married, when for a lot of that time M was pregnant. She isn’t getting much recognition for how successfully she carried this off (Grenfell etc) - always looking good, smiling, engaged, empathetic. Instead she was often slagged off for things like touching her bump (though Kate was praised for her ‘protectiveness’ when pictured doing the same thing - in the paper today). They must surely have got completely worn out by all the activity, including 3 tours abroad, all new to Meghan, and all the criticism and abuse - look at the public comments on DMail articles about her, which are never moderated, if you want to see appalling racism.
Yes, they’ve made mistakes, probably moved too quickly to detach themselves with little notice from traditional RF duties. They should perhaps not have moved so abruptly out of KPalace and got themselves a more discreet retreat on the outskirts of London, and they’ve done some unwise publicity. Maybe they could have started on negotiating a life more like Princess Margaret’s children - furniture maker and artist - or Princess Anne’s.... But Meghan seems to have wanted something more ‘celeb’ and anyway, by this time the media and social media had got their teeth into them and they couldn’t get anything right.
I think the Queen is doing her best to rescue one or both of them from a breakdown - yes, it feels as if it’s as bad as that, and to support a marriage perhaps going very wrong under the strain. The problem is whether there can be any good outcome and there’s so much, probably irreparable hurt with both families and seemingly Harry’s friends. But what do I know??!!

He was happy being part of the royal family until Megan came on the seen . He also had a good relationship with his brother until she came along . She wanted the big royal wedding at the tax payer expense , also the renovation to frog more cottage . She is also didn't say no to the expensive clothes . Her friends and family say she manipulates people and Harry has been a pawn in her game . I will be surprised if the marriage lasts another 2 years , then where will he be ? Out in the cold and crawling back to his family , who were only looking out for him in the first place . Either there in or there out of the royal family and if there out , they can pay for there own security and for all there expenses . I say good riddance to her .

Maddyone, have read your last two threads re Harry &Megan - totally agree with you.

Just wondering who buys the Daily Mail? What sort of people? Or the daily Express come to that.

I’m tickled at the suggestion that Harry is going to be unhappy leaving family and home behind.

What I do hope is that the happy pair realise that most people in the UK surely were either happy with his choice of partner or disinterested and either way embarrassed by what they have been put through.

Artdecogran

Your comment about Meghan being a stay-at-home mum (or mom) made me smile! Cannot really imagine her doing the washing and ironing then greeting Harry in a pretty apron as she serves him his tea on his return from opening a new hospital or suchlike.
In all seriousness though, I am quite sure she intended being at his side after their marriage, taking part in all the royal duties. Just think that the reality didn’t match the vision.

Thank you Heartbeats, I’ve taken a bit of flak for what I’ve said, but also some kind support

I think the Q has not only acted with great dignity but been very sensible. The situation is what it is and Harry and Meghan are determined to leave. Opposing it would only have meant total estrangement and they would have gone with great acrimony. This way the door is left open, and I have a horrible feeling that Harry is going to need it at some time as Meghan leaves him behind. There was no real choice but to let them go and far better to go in peace.

Minerva I have never seen anyone buy the Daily Express. People must, but I have never seen them.

Let them go. I hope they’ll be happier in Canada and I hope we don’t pick up the tab for their security. I’ve read worse on GN about the treatment of MIL or by MIL and children moving far away. It would have been good manners to share their decisions with others concerned but their view of good manners may be different.
The main difference here is the media publicity, one minute they court it and the next they criticise what is said.
I think it will be unreasonable to hear either of them pontificating about climate change issues whilst zipping backwards and forwards (politicians take note) but I wish them well with any charity work they do. A suggestion in the paper this morning said that the Sussex brand might not do so well if they have their titles withdrawn. I don’t think the Queen is spiteful enough to do that, But I think if Harry and Meghan really mean it about standing on their own feet and being independent, they might like to try life without a title.

Avalon, absolutely agree with you. The Queen has acted with dignity and at the same time left the door open in case Harry needs it at a later date. I feel for the whole family, especially Prince Charles, about Archie. I hope and pray that PC will be able to be part of his life. Archie is his grandson, I can only think of how I would feel if any of my beautiful grandchildren were taken to live abroad, especially if they went acrimoniously. What a terrible situation, I do hope Harry and Archie are allowed to continue to have a real relationship with their family, even if Meghan doesn’t want any of it.

The press does have a lot to answer for. However, surely Harry & Meghan, especially Harry must gave expected to be praised/criticised for every move they did. A bit naive to think they would be able to jog on like Mr and Mrs Ordinary. Didn't stop them having the grand wedding. The house in Norfolk isn't their's and I can see why they want to be able to use it as it is set up for security. DH had experience in protection many years ago and then it wasn't themselves royals worried about but their children. What I can't figure is how H & M manage to set up home in Canada and carry on businesses as is their intention allegedly, in what seems to be overnight. Neither are Canadian citizens. Will we all be able to do that too. They shoujd be allowed to choose their path in life. Don't ask me to be paying taxes for any of their keep though. From what has been in the press they do seem to acknowledge they have to be financially independent, if that's possible whilst retaining the HRHs will need to be seen.

It would have been good manners to share their decisions with others concerned but their view of good manners may be different.

No one with a brain can think it is good manners to share your decisions with Elton John before you tell the people who matter

Meghan and Harry have been driven to this by the appalling treatment she has received from the British media. Harry is not stuck between his family and Meghan, he is just stepping up to the mark and supporting his wife as we should expect any loving husband to do. I admire him for what he is doing when he has probably not fully addressed the issues from the death of his mother. Good Luck to you Harry and Meghan.

Harry’s mother died when he was 11 ,he is now 35.
If he still hasn’t dealt with the issues and from another post it is “still raw” , he really does have mental health issues, he should have learned how to cope long before now.
My Father died when I was 11, I was an only child and was left with a fairly controlling mother.
I had to learn to deal with it on my own and I did.