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I feel sorry for Prince Harry

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Artdecogran Sun 12-Jan-20 12:00:22

After looking at all the news reports etc I have come to the conclusion that Harry is really stuck in the middle of his wife and the RF. Meghan married Harry very quickly, which can cause difficulties in ‘normal’ families, but with the emotionally constipated RF it was a disaster waiting to happen. If someone like Diana, who had experience of royalty couldn’t cope with the way of life or the hold the courtiers have over proceedings, how could a feisty American. Catherine has only managed it because she and William took a very long time to get her settled into the RF.
Moving to a new country, getting married, having a baby and trying to fit into the RF is a heavy burden, and then being bullied completely by the press is enough to make anyone crack. The daily mail is still dredging up anyone they can to slate Meghan and Harry.
Harry is trying to protect his wife, and according to recent reports, has tried to initiate changes but has been rebuffed at every stage. I would think that seeing the photos on the Queen’s desk didn’t show him or Meghan or their son was hurtful and an indication that they no longer counted. The further photos of the 4 reigning/next in line would surely have pushed home that point.
Harry has slumped down the line of succession, the same thing that happened to Andrew, Anne and Edward. But they had each other to share this change of status and that surely made matters easier.
I think Harry feels very alone and impotent and is trying very hard to change things for his wife, but has had to make a huge fuss to get anyone to listen. If you add in his own personal problems then I am very surprised that he is still trying to go forward instead of just giving up. Perhaps now the RF will abandon their stiff upper lip and treat Harry better than they did Diana.
Sorry for long waffle.

maddyone Tue 14-Jan-20 19:30:37

Oh PageTurner, that really made me laugh grin

But you know what they say, many a true word is spoken in jest.

merlotgran Tue 14-Jan-20 19:32:30

Does Meghan have any residency rights in Canada? I'm sure this has been asked on another thread but I can't remember what was said.

maddyone Tue 14-Jan-20 19:36:13

Maybe that’s why they visited Canada House last week Merlot. Meghan did live in Canada for seven years so may have residency rights, but Harry and Archie won’t have such rights unless they go through the official channels.

barbiedoll Tue 14-Jan-20 19:44:04

Sorry all if I upset anybody, but from what I have read Megan uses you and dumps you when she get’s what she wants. Me personally I don’t like her and think she has used the Royal Family for what she can get from them, I hope they do move abroad without any of the perks they now have and have to work for a living like a lot of us have had to and have to. I have no sympathy for them what so ever, they have had a very privileged life and she has just turned her back on it. I admire the Queen, Price William and Kate who do the job properly without complaining at all. Let them go without all their perks and privileges and so be it, thank god for the Queen and the uncomplaining Charles, William and Kate’s

Callistemon Tue 14-Jan-20 20:10:44

the Royle family
Oh yes, Ralf Little is going out to Ste Marie!!

Summerlove Tue 14-Jan-20 20:11:57

This is the crux of the matter and highlights the difference in attitude between North Americans - typified by Me too and the phrase ‘it is not enough to survive but to thrive’ and the UK attitude, at least in the RF, of “I live to serve my people”.

I’m hoping this is strictly a misunderstanding, but me too has nothing to do with somebody wanting something, and everything to do with standing up against sexual assault.

icanhandthemback Tue 14-Jan-20 20:21:20

The media have cost Harry girlfriends and his mother so if he doesn't want to lose his wife and son to them too, I don't blame him. There are millions of people in the world who do a job and then move to part time work to suit their family. All of this is just hysteria about a minor Royal who is trying to do his best as a father and husband. I can just imagine how much you lot would rebel if you had to ask permission of your Gran, your Father and possibly your brother before you could make your life choices just because you happened to be born into a role you didn't ask for.
I have often thought that Harry looks unhappy these days when fulfilling Royal Duties in a way he didn't before he was married, particularly when with Meghan. However, I suspect he is just waiting for media back lash against her...after all, this was a woman who even got holding her baby wrong! It would make me want to run for the hills.

ExD1938 Tue 14-Jan-20 20:25:42

I was pretty homesick when I first got married, and wanted to go "home". Then I got pregnant and I think my hormones got the better of me and I sobbed over the phone to my Mum that I was lonely and wanted to come back.
She told me firmly that I had everything to be thankful for and that she would not have me back as my place was with my husband, and it was time to grow up.
I was 21.
MM is 38 and is not a "young" person.
Her hormones will have been all over the place before and after the birth - she didn't have a straight talking Mum to brig her back to earth but it is possible she was encouraged to return to "N America". But hormones are not an excuse for this behaviour.
Harry is only a few years younger and also not "young". They have both been indulged and have not yet grown up, tough love is what was needed, from MM's Mum and the Queen too.
Too late now.

Cossy Tue 14-Jan-20 20:26:29

Interesting comments, our wonderful Queen is bending over backwards to try and accommodate this couple and as she has personally watched Prince Harry grow up and miss his adored Mother, adored by her children, he’s grown up in the public eye, in the shadow of his brother, a future King, served two tours of Afghanistan in the Army, done numerous things with and for the armed forces and children’s charities and founded the Invictus Games, Canada is very different from the USA, good luck and blessings to them both. He’s already independently wealthy and willing to work and so is she, I cannot see the issues!

merlotgran Tue 14-Jan-20 20:27:57

I don't see how moving to another country and working in the glaring world of celebrity is going to prevent media intrusion. It has been suggested Harry will follow Meghan to Canada at the end of this week. Do they really think there won't be more interest after recent developments?

gmarie Tue 14-Jan-20 20:36:38

Re/ using the BuzzFeed link in my thread post, it was because they had the comparative news pictures I sought. They may have a progressive-leaning slant but the pictures and headlines spoke for themselves when they treated these ladies totally differently (one of them shabbily) about such things as cradling a baby bump or eating avocados for heaven's sake!

I also find it interesting that so many on here trash Meghan for her choices and yet in other threads will defend someone's right to invite whoever they want to their wedding, estrange whoever they want, etc. Just because someone is in the public eye does NOT mean they deserve to be eviscerated by the press for such ridiculous reasons.

Portraying their baby as a chimp was unforgivable.

Fleurpink Tue 14-Jan-20 20:39:30

the baby in Canada,
origin.onl/
mails.tips/temp-mail/
audacity.onl/
she clearly has been reading up on Royal law and knows that the Queen is the legal custodian of minor royal.

ExD1938 Tue 14-Jan-20 20:43:32

I'm lost - what are those links Fleurpink? I'm a greatgrannie and my IT sli

skills aren't up to this

ExD1938 Tue 14-Jan-20 20:45:31

Do you mean the Q has prior claim to Harry and Meghan's baby?

Acer Tue 14-Jan-20 21:02:55

Did anybody really believe that Megan would make every effort to stay in this country ?

suziewoozie Tue 14-Jan-20 21:06:26

I’ve no idea Acer and neither have you

Callistemon Tue 14-Jan-20 21:09:23

Yes.

Although I thought they would develop their work with the Commonwealth.

merlotgran Tue 14-Jan-20 21:20:29

I remember Meghan saying in their engagement interview that she couldn't wait to begin travelling to the commonwealth countries. A lot of people thought, Hang on. You're not even married yet.

Maybe she was sold or imagined a package that hasn't come up to her expectations. A bit like Madonna when she scarpered back to America when she got bored with the huntin' shootin' fishing' part of rural splendour with Guy Ritchie.

ALANaV Tue 14-Jan-20 21:22:06

One thing and about the ONLY thing living in Britain is the FREEDOM OF THE PRESS …..it is not meant to be popular with everyone and often reflects the attitude of ordinary people, who feel aggrieved mainly for the Queen, who has given up her entire lifetime's freedom to serve her country. There must have been times when she and Philip would have loved to have some privacy but she has borne , in her terms, her DUTY to Crown and country. It is a great shame Harry and his American wife has shown her contempt...she must be very dismayed. Personally I don't care what they do as long as it does not cause the Queen any further hurt...she deserves better. In most ordinary families it causes distress if one member of the family chooses to dismiss any concern shown by the relatives and just does their own thing regardless...…..angry

MerylStreep Tue 14-Jan-20 21:22:58

Fleurpink
I think you'll find that that piece of info is a tad out of date.
It changed round about the 1700s.

Callistemon Tue 14-Jan-20 21:29:41

Has it been repealed?

I'm sure HM would want it repealed. She could find herself in charge of a creche of babies and toddlers.
Not to mention any stroppy teenagers.

lemongrove Tue 14-Jan-20 21:45:49

Just musing on this situation, and thinking this six months here and six months in Canada can’t possibly work.
What when Archie starts nursery? When he starts school?
When Meghan starts doing more acting?What about their staff, will they need to have two households on standby, or will the UK household and secretarial staff be expected to uproot themselves every six months?
More questions than answers.

lemongrove Tue 14-Jan-20 21:47:26

I think in the end, apart from odd visits to the UK, they will make themselves at home in Canada permanently.

merlotgran Tue 14-Jan-20 22:04:03

I can't see Meghan returning to the UK for anything other than major royal events e.g. funerals. Trooping the Colour, the balcony appearance with Archie? Playing second fiddle to Kate?

Forget it!

lucywinter Tue 14-Jan-20 22:25:06

Do they really think the paparazzi won't follow them to Canada?

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