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I feel sorry for Prince Harry

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Artdecogran Sun 12-Jan-20 12:00:22

After looking at all the news reports etc I have come to the conclusion that Harry is really stuck in the middle of his wife and the RF. Meghan married Harry very quickly, which can cause difficulties in ‘normal’ families, but with the emotionally constipated RF it was a disaster waiting to happen. If someone like Diana, who had experience of royalty couldn’t cope with the way of life or the hold the courtiers have over proceedings, how could a feisty American. Catherine has only managed it because she and William took a very long time to get her settled into the RF.
Moving to a new country, getting married, having a baby and trying to fit into the RF is a heavy burden, and then being bullied completely by the press is enough to make anyone crack. The daily mail is still dredging up anyone they can to slate Meghan and Harry.
Harry is trying to protect his wife, and according to recent reports, has tried to initiate changes but has been rebuffed at every stage. I would think that seeing the photos on the Queen’s desk didn’t show him or Meghan or their son was hurtful and an indication that they no longer counted. The further photos of the 4 reigning/next in line would surely have pushed home that point.
Harry has slumped down the line of succession, the same thing that happened to Andrew, Anne and Edward. But they had each other to share this change of status and that surely made matters easier.
I think Harry feels very alone and impotent and is trying very hard to change things for his wife, but has had to make a huge fuss to get anyone to listen. If you add in his own personal problems then I am very surprised that he is still trying to go forward instead of just giving up. Perhaps now the RF will abandon their stiff upper lip and treat Harry better than they did Diana.
Sorry for long waffle.

MawB Wed 15-Jan-20 10:49:34

My suspicion is that both sides in the court case are out not for justice, but for revenge. Harry has not forgiven the press for his idea that they hounded her to her death (although a drunken driver employed by the Fayeds, not wearing a seat belt and running away instead of hunkering down might have played their part, I suspect conventional Royal security would have avoided those pitfalls) Megan seeks revenge on her family (why? Misguided admittedly, but could they not have been handled better? Or is it revenge on her father for leaving her mother?) and the Mail is out to avenge all the (perceived) frustrations about Royal reporting - or possibly that People magazine got there first.
Hell hath no fury like all of these.

MawB Wed 15-Jan-20 10:55:06

Urmstongran/Suziewoozie the remark about Meghan's nose may have been LSS than flattering , but is it really any different from expressing an opinion among a group of friends about William’s receding hairline, tge late Queen Mum’s teeth, whether or not another actor has had “work done” e.g. James Nesbitt, Jane Fonda et al ?
You reacted as if this was a heinous instance of lèse-majesté.
Meghan is unlikely to read it or hear it repeated!

suziewoozie Wed 15-Jan-20 10:55:55

Granny the letter belongs to the person who receives it as in the actual pieces of paper. The content however can not be published without the consent of the writer

suziewoozie Wed 15-Jan-20 10:57:55

Maw being disingenuous doesn’t become you.

maddyone Wed 15-Jan-20 11:00:21

The use of some language to describe other posters on this thread is truly disgusting.

.....infected by the hatred, meannest, bitterness, gloating band of Meghan haters.’

Posters are ‘.......in the sewer...........swimming and choking in their own excrement.’

An unbelievable, vitriolic description of Gransnetters.

Anniebach Wed 15-Jan-20 11:01:02

So she gave consent for her friends to reveal details in the letter ?

maddyone Wed 15-Jan-20 11:10:49

Well Meghan’s in the news again, and judging by the photos on Sky News, she’s looking pretty happy about it. She is looking straight at the camera, smiling broadly. The person who is with her (security possibly?) appears to be deliberating hiding his face, looking away from the camera. She visited a charity in Vancouver, and the charity have released a photo of her, which Sky News said she must have agreed to with a signature.

Quiet life, away from the evil press?

NO, she is courting the press!

No argument about it, the evidence is there in the photos.

Summerlove Wed 15-Jan-20 11:20:58

Oh dear, it looks as if the Mail on Sunday /Meghan court case could get very ugly indeed with her father apparently “prepared to testify against her in court.”

This is the man so many defend as having been hard done by.

A man who set up his own paparazzi shoot to look sympathetic. Who published a letter she wrote. Who now will go to court against his daughter. If Meghan is in fact “fame hungry”, we certainly don’t been to look too far from the Apple to find the tree who raised her.

This is the man so many feel sorry for and are frothing about that his daughter should keep him in her life?

How many of you would keep him close after being so completely betrayed? I won’t even start on how vile her sister has been since before the wedding

lucywinter Wed 15-Jan-20 11:23:18

I'm beginning to lose my good opinion of her after seeing the photo of her looking so happy and relaxed so soon after that gruelling meeting of the senior royals.

And that jumper she was wearing to visit the women's refuge, cost well over one and a half thousand pounds. hmm

JenniferEccles Wed 15-Jan-20 11:25:13

maddyone I always feel those awful comments you have mentioned say more about the person writing them than anything else.

I my opinion Meghan Markle is the worst thing to have happened to the royal family for many years, and we are perfectly entitled to discuss this without being accused of being in a sewer.

Horrible language.

Oopsminty Wed 15-Jan-20 11:26:18

This is the man so many defend as having been hard done by.

This is the man who never even got to meet the man who was to marry his daughter

The fact that Harry and Meghan couldn't be bothered to go and visit him before they announced their engagement speaks volumes

He's never met Harry.

I'm sure most of us had introduced our husbands-to-be to our fathers

The man felt pushed out

I feel sorry for him

I feel sorry for the Queen and everyone else in this sorry debacle

I don't have much sympathy for H&M

They will be fine

pinkquartz Wed 15-Jan-20 11:35:27

summerlove

Her Dad was never introduced to H....
Why?

Her Dad only revealed the letter after M gave her friends permission to talk about it.

And how weird to cut off scruffy white Dad and wheel out the mum who abandoned her in childhood.
M's previous blog "The Tig" had lots of praise for her Dad until she met H.
Isn't this odd?

How can the pain of being told he will never see his grandson be justified? because why?

It is the way she cut out her father that first rang alarms inside me. It was a very cold and callous act.
He just doesn't suit her new life......that's all IMO.

harrigran Wed 15-Jan-20 11:37:28

maddyone, I agree that comments made on this thread today are really nasty.

Framilode Wed 15-Jan-20 11:42:47

Well she will look happy she's won, hasn't she.

Margs Wed 15-Jan-20 11:48:01

America - especially Hollywood - will welcome them, for sure. But when they realise their place in the Eurotrash Royalty pecking order they may be disilusioned.

Edward VIII and Mrs Simpson were effectively reduced to accepting exile forever and the most prestigious person they hob-knobbed with after that was someone called Adolf Hitler......that's how far they fell!

annsixty Wed 15-Jan-20 11:57:21

Does she or anyone else see the irony of her turning up to a women's refuge/shelter wearing designer gear costing thousands when maybe they have the clothes they stand in and possibly no roof over their head
Io wonder if she helped cook meals or served them

It is thoughtless in the least.

newnanny Wed 15-Jan-20 12:00:00

I have no problem with H and M wanting a life out of press and living in Canada if that is what they wish. However the notion that they should keep HRH style, public should continue to pay for their security and they should have free access to Frogmore Cottage is unreasonable. They are either working royals with the trimmings or private citizens without the trimmings. I see now they have removed statement from their Sussex Royal website stating they are 'internationally protected people' regardless of where they live. He is an adult and he has money he inherited from mother and great-grandmother and she has money so they should pay for anything they want themselves. If Charles wishes to bankroll them that is his business.

maddyone Wed 15-Jan-20 12:02:30

Margs, that is exactly why I feel sorry for Harry, and in due course, Archie. I suspect that in time, Harry will miss his family and his friends, who apparently he has dropped since his marriage. He will be dependent on Meghan and Archie (and any other children they may have) with occasional visits from Meghan’s mother. Other than that it will be shallow celebrities, who are probably only interested in their status as Royals, albeit basically none Royals now. They could easily be effectively exiled, because even if Harry crosses the Atlantic to visit his family, I wonder if Meghan will refuse to do so, and I doubt that Archie will ever visit his family. I hope and hope I’m wrong.

MawB Wed 15-Jan-20 12:02:32

Maw being disingenuous doesn’t become you

I am not being disingenuous Suziewoozie
I honestly believe there will be no “winners” in this sad scenario but I also believe that there has been an inordinate amount of pearl-clutching, virtue-signalling and frankly too much hot air on this and the other Harry/Meghan threads

Anniebach Wed 15-Jan-20 12:08:05

Hugh Grant is supporting them

Ellianne Wed 15-Jan-20 12:15:24

I don't understand who exactly is Meghan representing now on these so called charity visits? Not Canada or the UK or the USA as far as I know. It's herself, of course. Yet we are paying for her clothes and her security detail?

Anniebach Wed 15-Jan-20 12:25:07

William and Kate are spending the day in Bradford visiting
several charities . Doubt this will make the front pages.

The difference between working royals and a celebrity part time member of the same family !

merlotgran Wed 15-Jan-20 12:46:47

It has made the front pages, Annie

Bridgeit Wed 15-Jan-20 12:52:12

Papers just want to sell papers, the media wants an audience & we are letting them get away with it.
If the public weren’t so desperate , Ohhps sorry , interested in this couple it would all stop.

Anniebach Wed 15-Jan-20 13:03:41

My interest in this selfish , money grabbing, self centred couple is concern for their treatment of members of the royal
family who work for charities not selling themselves.

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