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I feel sorry for Prince Harry

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Artdecogran Sun 12-Jan-20 12:00:22

After looking at all the news reports etc I have come to the conclusion that Harry is really stuck in the middle of his wife and the RF. Meghan married Harry very quickly, which can cause difficulties in ‘normal’ families, but with the emotionally constipated RF it was a disaster waiting to happen. If someone like Diana, who had experience of royalty couldn’t cope with the way of life or the hold the courtiers have over proceedings, how could a feisty American. Catherine has only managed it because she and William took a very long time to get her settled into the RF.
Moving to a new country, getting married, having a baby and trying to fit into the RF is a heavy burden, and then being bullied completely by the press is enough to make anyone crack. The daily mail is still dredging up anyone they can to slate Meghan and Harry.
Harry is trying to protect his wife, and according to recent reports, has tried to initiate changes but has been rebuffed at every stage. I would think that seeing the photos on the Queen’s desk didn’t show him or Meghan or their son was hurtful and an indication that they no longer counted. The further photos of the 4 reigning/next in line would surely have pushed home that point.
Harry has slumped down the line of succession, the same thing that happened to Andrew, Anne and Edward. But they had each other to share this change of status and that surely made matters easier.
I think Harry feels very alone and impotent and is trying very hard to change things for his wife, but has had to make a huge fuss to get anyone to listen. If you add in his own personal problems then I am very surprised that he is still trying to go forward instead of just giving up. Perhaps now the RF will abandon their stiff upper lip and treat Harry better than they did Diana.
Sorry for long waffle.

tickingbird Sat 18-Jan-20 09:05:58

Trevor Phillips has written an excellent piece for the DM today. I read it online. It’s so on the money.

SirChenjin Sat 18-Jan-20 09:06:36

If she chooses to do anything privately that’s criticised for not letting the public gawp

If she and H choose to live the rest of their lived privately then I’ll be delighted. Somehow I don’t think their global brand and international charitable foundation suggests they have any intention of doing things privately.

Anniebach Sat 18-Jan-20 09:09:54

I wish they would stop playing the press and live a private life.

Susangilley Sat 18-Jan-20 09:16:13

So succinctly put. Can’t add anymore. Thank you

JenniferEccles Sat 18-Jan-20 09:31:11

Luckygirl where did you read that Meghan would have preferred a quiet wedding?

I don’t believe that for one minute but if you could provide a link to the article I and others would be interested to read it.

MerylStreep Sat 18-Jan-20 09:38:28

tickingbird
From Trevor Phillips very good article.
britain is objectively the best place in the developed world to live if you are a person of colour

maddyone Sat 18-Jan-20 10:23:07

Jennifer, I was interested in that too. It’s my opinion that a quiet wedding was the very last think Meghan wanted. The evidence is the choice of venue, the extremely expensive dress paid for by Prince Charles, the carriage ride, the invited ‘guests’ who worked in various charities etc, the tinsel town celebrities (many of whom Meghan barely knew or didn’t know at all) and last but not least, the enormous, eye watering expense of the whole wedding, paid for by Prince Charles. And incidentally it was Prince Charles who paid for the fixtures and fittings in Frogmore Cottage, and the renovations were paid for out of the Sovereign Grant, which means out of taxation.

tickingbird Sat 18-Jan-20 10:26:05

From Luckygirl * Their wealth, as I have said before, comes from her hard graft, and for him as an accident of birth.*

Since when has being an actress been considered hard graft?

tickingbird Sat 18-Jan-20 10:30:39

It may well be that they’ve realised that once the Queen passes away and Charles becomes King, William becomes Prince of Wales and the Duchy of Cornwall will also pass to him. William won’t be Keeping H&M as he has his own family to finance. The more I think about it the more I think this is about money.

maddyone Sat 18-Jan-20 10:35:38

Tickingbird, you’re right, no doubt that’s why some actors and actresses go on working well into their eighties. A real job, think nursing, teaching, firefighter, police officer, refuse collector, you get the picture, people in those jobs, and many more, could no more work in their eighties than they could fly to the moon. Actors, politicians, those are the jobs where people can work into their dotage and get paid enormous sums to do so.
Meghan as far as I understand it, has never had a real job. She was educated at an expensive private school and put through college, all paid for by the father she has thrown to one side, never to see his grandchild. She then became a model and actress, but she was not very successful until her first husband managed to get her a job on Suits, a programme I’d never heard of before Meghan. She then tossed her first husband aside, I suppose he must have outlived his usefulness.

Anniebach Sat 18-Jan-20 10:36:18

a tv series, hard graft ?

maddyone Sat 18-Jan-20 10:39:41

It is about money Tickingbird, but it’s also about what Meghan wants, Meghan gets. When Meghan realised that royal life was not very exciting, it’s about duty, and the highlights such as the carriage rides only happen now and again, then she quickly, extremely quickly, tired of it, and decided that there’s more money and fame in tinsel town, which is where she apparently wants to live, just as soon as Trump is gone.

maddyone Sat 18-Jan-20 10:39:57

Indeed Annie.

Ellianne Sat 18-Jan-20 10:41:46

Yes its about money, but also about fame/stardom whatever you like to call it.

Jane10 is so right when she says MM invites the press in. They don't just show up to take pretty pictures, and even if members of the press are not in attendance MM gets one of her celebrity friends to post pictures and write cheesy captions. That's how it works in the world of publicity these days and those of you who have no knowledge of the media business are wrong to suggest she isn't in charge of all this.

Anniebach Sat 18-Jan-20 10:43:31

She was 36 when she retired from acting, the series ran for about 8 years, what did she do before ?

tickingbird Sat 18-Jan-20 10:50:42

Anniebach Opening suitcases on Deal or No Deal was one of her previous jobs.

merlotgran Sat 18-Jan-20 10:57:48

During Meghan's visit to 'Justice for Girls' she was presented with an 18ct gold whale tail necklace worth around £1,300. I believe it was hand picked by the designer from her own collection but IMO it emphasises greed and privilege.

trisher Sat 18-Jan-20 11:07:35

Designers give things to celebrities in the hope that they will wear them and promote their goods. It's nothing new. It's part of the lifestyle. But if you want examples of what privilege gets you consider Kate's haul- www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019042972515/kate-middleton-gifts-from-queen-royal-family/

maddyone Sat 18-Jan-20 11:08:21

OMG Merlot, that’s absolutely astounding. Where did you hear that? I hope it’s not true, but it probably is. It certainly does emphasis greed doesn’t it! And it also tells us that this trip was planned for a while too. To be given such a gift is a type of bribe, the designer wants something back, and is buying her/himself a ‘position’ to make her/his products desirable. This cheapens the royal family.

maddyone Sat 18-Jan-20 11:11:18

Trisher, just looked at your link. Don’t you understand the difference between the royal family giving gifts and heirlooms to one of their own, and designers giving a gift in order to promote sales of their goods?
It’s COMPLETELY different.

merlotgran Sat 18-Jan-20 11:12:51

Here's the link

I think Jessica Mulroney may have had a hand in the last minute arrangements.

SirChenjin Sat 18-Jan-20 11:16:37

She met the admin staff to “boost their spirits”??!

You have to hand it to M - her ego knows no bounds grin

Callistemon Sat 18-Jan-20 11:17:04

But what should she have done? Refused the gift? That would have been reported as rude and more evidence of bad manners.

Yes, designers always do give or lend famous people clothes, jewellery etc in the hope that it will be reported widely in the media and boost sales.

The RF receives many gifts some of which they pass on quietly and unobtrusively but others are kept, probably displayed when the giver comes round to the Palace for tea as to do otherwise would be undiplomatic.

No nonsense Princess Anne wears her old clothes re-fashioned!

trisher Sat 18-Jan-20 11:17:11

maddyone did you just look or read? The stuff she is wearing has made some of the designers. Does it really matter if the designer or your MIL gives you a gift? The result is the same and it is all greed and privilege.

SirChenjin Sat 18-Jan-20 11:19:39

How about stating in advance that she doesn’t accept gifts? I’m sure a PR person could get the meaning across with better phrasing, but you get my drift. OTOH, sales of anything shoot through the roof when M and H wear something so it was probably the artist spotting an opportunity.

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