Robbie Williams and surrogacy

Of course the surrogate is the mother. She created the child. Birthed the child. Legally she is the mother. To that baby she is the mother.

Why do we move heaven and earth to support a woman’s right
to abort her own child but condemn a woman who is willing to carry and give birth to a child for a woman

I think they were so wrong to make this public

Why are they using a surrogate?

Legally the surrogate is the mother and can decide to keep the baby

Apparently Ayda was unable to conceive after their first two children.

Money does talk! My son and his wife get one....yes just ONE chance at IVF. They’ve been through so much already, these ‘celebrities’ have no idea about real life. Apparently they’re creating their perfect family! Ha!

Because and abortion affects nobody but the woman.
A surrogacy deal is about the baby.

Bibbity abortion affects nobody but the woman? What about the baby??

Foetus.not baby

And what trauma is that Bibbity? I feel more strongly about them making this such a publicity stunt than the surrogacy.

suziewoozie okay foetus then. ?

I'm far more worried about all the children who don't even have enough to eat, clean water, peace and security. Some are born into this uncaring world with all the odds stacked against them.

The research I'm aware of that points to emotional/psychological difficulties in babies removed from their mother at birth is based on attachment theory. I haven't seen research that says babies born to surrogates have similar difficulties.
I don't have any difficulty though, in accepting that children born through surrogacy or sperm donation will have many questions about their heritage. No matter how well life parents help their children understand how they came to grow up away from birth family, questions will remain. I need to stress that I know many adopted children, now adults, who have strong attachments to their adoptive parents and live happy, fulfilled lives.

I don't think we need such emotive language as " move heaven and earth " to support a woman who chooses/needs termination and " condems" surrogacy.

Annie, the example you gave of a family member considering surrogacy for a sibling is differet from rich and famous people basically buying babies.

As an aside, I think RW stage show was absolutley filthy in places and I saw him on a chat show making a vile " joke" about having anal sex with his wife who had recently given birth.

So women grieving for the loss of their baby, still birth or
miscarriage are being silly, they are grieving for a foetus, when pregnant we don’t feel our baby kick we feel a foetus move.

Sorry, I don't have the energy for this. I don't think paying for a baby is right.

If the lady in question already has two natural children and wants more surely the answer is to adopt a child with no family I don’t think it’s something that should have a fanfare of coverage
I too saw an extract of that hideously sexual song with a member of the audience greymar he was vile and just put him even further down in my estimations I hope the children don’t grow up to ever see that I also saw a video of him in the birthing room with one of their natural babies and he was vile putting her down and making awful jokes about her and singing and taking the limelight while the poor woman was panting and sweating in the background
Awful way to conduct yourself in the public eye

Is the critcism against surrogacy, wealth or Robbie Williams?

Its entitlement, I want and I shall have and this is just money talking. I just don't believe in this rent a womb business , there are enough children looking for adoption but then they just want a mini me, sorry 4 mini me's.

What on Earth was he doing in the birthing room, singing and behaving badly? I didn’t know anything about it until now.

Perhaps some people don’t understand the pain of infertility. Not that RW hadn’t already got children apparently.

It is illegal to pay a surrogate, reasonable expenses are allowed.

How many here have supported their daughter through years
of infertility and all the decisions that come with it ?

How many are infertile ?

No Barmyoldbat it is not ‘I want and I shall have ‘ , it is not
entitlement.

Yes, Annie, I have been there and got the tee shirt. It’s indescribably difficult to watch the pain of infertility.

They have two natural children,they appear to be doing what celebs do and having someone else do the hard work of carrying,giving birth and losing the unwated baby weight afterwards.I do have sympathy with infertile couples but this IS a couple who believe they are entitled like many other big names

Celebrities are all entitled, I suppose, to a greater or lesser extent.
If you have money, time, and everything needed to make life comfortable, then why wouldn't you.

I do think Robbie is a total w**k* though.