Caroline Flack Dead

pinkquartz I dont think the authorities are harder on women but they do need to prosecute when they see fit.The media shouldn't be releasing details of how CF died it can lead to copycat attempts .I think the whole situation has been badly handled.The coverage is ramping up public feelings against the CPS who have a difficult enough job woithout this

If the media are informed they have a right to report it , sadly
many will want to know every detail.

From more recent coverage, I get the impression something was troubling her even before the incident with the lamp, or why would she even have been in that state at the time?

And why don't celebrities go to normal accredited psychotherapists instead of all these weird treatments they tend to gravitate to.

I totally agree kissngate.. I would think that is why CF was dreading the bodycam evidence being revealed.

I understand the need to prosecute in certain circumstances. I do not believe this was one of them. They both had family who they could turn to, they had no children, they also both very financially secure. I don't believe either one of them was frightened of leaving the relationship or indeed seems neither wanted to anyway. Why then insist on prosecuting CF. Partner didn't want to prosecute. Simply a high profile case and CF was an easy target. Absolutely dreadful where a young women was driven to suicide. Not in anyone's interest to go ahead with the case.

love0c, and very possibly the court would have come to that conclusion, which is why we have courts. They are the ones whose job it is to elicit all the details and who would have been happy to see Caroline walk free as an innocent woman if they agreed with your conclusion. If only she could have waited.

She was dreading the body cam footage being shown though as it was going to court. Put your hand up anyone who hasn't had a hissy fit and wouldn't be mortified if it had been filmed and was going to be shown to the world. My hands are staying firmly down!!

Yes I agree, it would be excruciating.

I was quite surprised at her family making public her last instagram. Thought they wanted privacy.

There had to be a prosecution, abused women have been intimidated by abusive partners frightening them into trying
to stop charges .

paddyanne

I have seen in the past articles on how women are given harsher sentencing in Court than men.
Also I have noticed even today about an ex footballer not being prosecuted by the CPS.
Maybe I am not correct but this is the impression i have from years of reading on the topic.
The reason given is that unconsciously women are expected to behave better than men and therefore are going to be judged harsher.

I think the CPS were making a showtrial to say "look we prosecute the women too" and in this case they were picking on a very vulnerable woman.

Normally I am biased against celebs tbh but in this case I feel she was treated too harshly. Like the Bail terms meaning no contact with the BF.

If prosecution of domestic violence changes due to this case, it is women who will suffer the most.

I read an article in the Telegraph yesterday which described Caroline Flack's unprovoked attack on her sleeping boyfriend. If this account was accurate, it was a brutal and sustained attack. I was very struck by the measured tone of the newspaper article, compared with all the #bekind stuff on social media. I suspect that if such an attack had been made by a man, no matter how charming/glamorous, people would not be rushing to excuse him or to say that external forces made him do it.

Of course the bail terms had to be no contact ,otherwise he would have tried to change his story or been influenced by her.I know this happen s when its men beating women....my own daughter did it .She returned to the abuser to be abused again.Theres no evidence that says men behave any differently .She did it once there is strong evidence that abusers keep abusing .Of course its sad she committed suicide ,her family will be devastated But she wasn't treated unfairly by the system and to suggest that is to leave the door open when it happens to someone else ,some man who isn't involved with a glamourous celeb.If it were your son would you want her prosecuted and kept away from him?

Seems CF was a damaged soul. Her boyfriend was trying to ‘look after her’ in that relationship. It seems CF was quite volatile. A lot to handle - away from the television cameras.

I suspect that if such an attack had been made by a man, no matter how charming/glamorous, people would not be rushing to excuse him or to say that external forces made him do it.

Oh I dont know, Johnny Depp is doing alright!

I think a lot of people still cant rectify that a witty likable public face could have a dark behind doors persona.

If people have liked celsb they are very reluctant to accept that they liked someone capable of DV. Even when the Saville case first broke many people were reluctant to believe it.

People take it personally because they like to think they would spot a wrong'un..

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If prosecution of domestic violence changes due to this case, it is women who will suffer the most.

And "Carolines law" would silence whistleblowing of abuses too

CF is part of the same gang that gave Ant McPartland a heros welcome after causing a 3 car crash when drink driving and turned him into the victim of the story.. because he was "troubled"..

I guess that should be 'was' notonan. The whole Ant and Dec thing is utter madness. In the whole of the UK, this is the best we can come up with for 'light entertainment'

The poor woman had her demons for sure.I also keep thinking of the friend that popped out to the shops and her poor family. But is it wrong it feel uneasy about the whole Love Island thing.That she fronted show that laid young people so bare,almost literally,to have their personalities and bodies scrutinised so much and at the mercy of social media.The poor families of the two contestants who committed suicide.I think ITV should have pulled the whole series.I believe the police and CPS were just doing their job. And as Greymar says look at Ant McPs hero's return.

There are a few mental health states where you lack insight and capacity and genuinely have no control over your actions.

The vast majority of mental healtg problems may give you the impulse to do bad things, but you still actively decide whether or not to act on them.

CF worked in a culture where you could act on your impulses and get away with it. Far more so than average joe blogs could. It cant help the ITV/BBC gang to have inpulse control when no one around them needs it!

I think the outrage from that camp is partially self serving. They are shocked that CF wasnt treated with the impunity that that gang have become acustomed to. #Bekind has a dark side.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/20/over-half-of-uk-women-killed-by-men-die-hands-current-ex-partner

Why domestic violence cases SHOULD include no contact bail conditions

Actually, the really determined abuser/stalkers are so obsessed with anger that they ignore their bail conditions and come to kill their ex anyway. The very fact that Caroline was respecting the conditions of her bail was almost a sign that it would have been safe to lift them, with her victim/boyfriend acceptance. Not saying she shouldn't have had her day in court, but some contact with the boyfriend might have just helped to get her there. But the problem is until she actually got to court, the cps probably don't know who or what she is inside herself

She wasnt respecting the conditions of her bail ReadyMeals. She broke them almost immediately!

The bail conditions may not save from abusers who PLAN a murder but most spousal murder is more the "red mist" syle