Points system for immigrants from next year

Oh also, I think immigrants earning the threshold set by the government could threaten our security just as much as the guy in the carwash or the Polish builder or the Roma fruit picker.

I suppose regarding Care, one size doesn't fit all. The present system for the elderly imo, absolutely stinks. The carer has bills to pay and must earn money, therefore she/he rushes from call to call trying to make money and provide decent care.

The person receiving the care has a steady stream of people in and out and no chance to form bonds.

I don’t agree. The type of support my son receives would not be possible via the council. Furthermore a lot of disabled people now hold the budget & run their own teams - you do not want to me talking away personal choice - it would be a hugely backward step. However, am all for preventing profiteering. There are other ways of doing that.

The irony is it is hard for small care companies to break even, yet the corporates can produce profit for hedge funds. That’s where the system is wrong. You need to look at the commissioning.

pink local councils need to take care provision back ‘in house’. This provision is mainly in the hands of the private sector who, as you rightly point out, are in it for the money.

Care home and their workers should be employed, trained and regulated by the local councils.

The idea that "economically inactive" people (of whom there are actually about 2 million, not 8 million, as claimed) can be shoe horned into unsuitable jobs hundreds of miles from where they live, is absolute poppycock - as is Redwood's suggestion that computers and technology can increase productivity (whatever that means) in care work.

The points system doesn't protect our borders against illegal immigration. By definition, it's illegal and won't be subjected to any system.

Market forces already mean that the majority of people coming to the country (especially those from the EU) are those whom "the country needs". The UK has always had total control of people coming from non-EU countries. The majority of immigration has always been from non-EU countries.

People from the EU come to the UK to find work, so therefore contribute to the economy. They are generally young and hard-working and contribute more, on average, to the economy in taxes and NI contributions than those born in the UK, quite apart from the valuable work they do.

Can I point out again that when Home Helps, Carers were inhouse with the local councils they were cheaper because the Agencies that are now used are taking huge profits.

If we could go back to the old way everyone benefits. The carers get treated better and the "service users"
Also the Bank system does mean that you will have a series of people who do not know you and care is best done by building a relationship.

It was made clear that the proposed points system is not set in concrete in that if it is found for example that we have a shortage of carers or fruit pickers, or any other jobs deemed low skilled , then foreign workers would be brought in to fill those posts.

The whole idea is to restrict migration to only permit those who have the necessary skills and qualifications this country needs.

Completely sensible surely?

It is also vital for the government to take the necessary measures to properly protect our borders against illegal immigration which remains a big problem.

Surely when AI and robots are more fully employed to do factory work and routine clerical work, people should be able to concentrate on creative and caring roles.

All we would then need would be the political will to properly value human capabilities, such as compassion, and reward them accordingly.

I think you will find that most Care work is" organised " in this fashion. Obviously a recipe for favouritism when it comes to dishing out the hours.

Yes terrible shocking care. We need to start valuing these roles more.

Nezumi65 several of the care agencies in our area only operate on a bank system whether those employed are students or full/part time which must be very bewildering for those receiving care. No continuity, no chance to build up a relationship or get to know the needs of the recipient.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with student or school kids working. I don’t know a single child or student aged 16+ who doesn’t work for a wage in some form. But they’re not going to be able to fill the gap left by banning EU migrants.

I know plenty of fruit picking students - they all did it abroad. I know a lot of student support workers. They tend to work bank shifts & a lot only work for a short period - which isn’t great for a role where relationships are real important.

All five children worked as soon as legally able, they had to learn the value of money.

Or DC come to that.

Gravy!!

I am, however, extremely proud of them

As so you should be GrannyFravy
I am astonished that anyone should sneer.
But I have read on other threads astonishment that DGC should actually work whilst in the 6th form or at university.

I am proud of my familys work ethic but I see they had one hell of a head start compared to a lot of families.

Fennel

I don't think I know any unemployed plumbers, electricians, painters and decorators, hairdressers, etc etc who are looking for work as they are always in great demand.

And the man who helps with our garden (a complete career change for him) is so in demand we should clone him!

As for handymen or odd job men - impossible to find.

I, however am - I am however

MaizieD I have never set myself up to be Mrs Nice however I am truthful, not intentionally nasty to other posters whether I disagree with them or not, and always think before I post.

I am sorry that you find my families work ethic distasteful I, however, am extremely proud of them.

Anyone who doesn’t understand why quizqueen’s comments about disability were so vile needs to read Crippled by Frances Ryan.

Callistemon - sorry to have to agree on your point above about New Labour and Uni degrees. Many of which gave no guarantee of future careers. At the time I thought it was just another way of keeping the unemployment figures down.
I've written before about our oldest GD who got an apprenticeship as an industrial electrician and now, at 22, has a steady job and a good salary.
And she has her own house.

Approximately half of 18 year olds don't go to university. The UK has a poor record of knowing what to do with people without academic qualifications. The new apprenticeship system is a shambles and, at last, has been shown for what it is - a waste of money, with most of it going to older people already in employment. A lady called Alison Wolf has been brought in by the government to overhaul it, so hopefully there will be some improvements. Don't blame New Labour for that! The Conservatives under Cameron didn't have any experience of people without lower academic qualifications and didn't know what they were doing.

I don't think it's the education system that's at fault Grandad

I have to disagree there, Maizie.
New Labour made it quite obvious that the only education of value was a university education resulting in a degree and skilled or semi-skilled jobs were a second-rate choice.
Then, as a consequence, degrees were devalued and only a Masters or doctorate would suffice.

Some younger people we know who decided to go for vocational training and did not go to university have, in fact done extremely well in their chosen field and several now own their own firms and have taken on apprentices too.

But no doubt their teachers regarded them as failures when they left school.