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Perhaps Boris is not the best person........

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Luckygirl Tue 24-Mar-20 11:03:18

.........to be broadcasting the announcements about coronavirus measures.

We know him as someone with scant regard for the truth and his manner of delivery is bumbling. He lacks gravitas. I wonder if some of the idiots who have ignored all the rules just dismiss what he is saying because it is him saying it. There are strong feelings about him.

Might be better if the CMO were to deliver these rules.

janipat Thu 26-Mar-20 18:30:09

I am not left winger, I am not a hater as so many critics are called, I just don't trust Johnson. I will criticise the lack of reliable figures from this government. Just take ventilators.......On Monday 22nd March Matt Hancock said on BBC radio "We've made serious progress on that, there's now over 12,000 that we've managed to get. We started with 5,000 so we've been buying ventilators and we've also been engaged with companies who are going to turn their production over to ventilators" Business minister Nadhim Zahawi conceded there are now 8000 ventilators available to the NHS despite Matt Hancock's earlier claim of 12,000. What happened? Did we lose or sell the other 4,000 or do they not exist at this point? On 11th March Johnson claimed testing was ramping up to 10,000 then 25,000 then 250,000 tests per day. Despite this promise the maximum number of tests was 8400 on Thursday 19th March. Since then the daily average figure has been 4573, as of the 23rd March. Falls massively short of the target again. Is this government innumerate? Or are they deliberately misleading?

franceisfun Thu 26-Mar-20 18:29:42

I am finding Boris Johnson's manner when delivering extremely serious messages to the nation lacking in gravitas, which is dangerous and disappointing.

Not everyone who wishes we had a more statesmanlike PM is an "aggrieved left-winger". I am worried for our country, and personally concerned about the safety of my brother who has come out of retirement to work as a doctor again, despite his partmer being immuno-compromised. He is taking risks to save others.

I don't want to listen to BJ speaking about "squashing the sombrero" when describing the need to flatten the curve of increase of this deadly virus. I would like our PM to speak like an intelligent adult at this crucial time.

Labaik Thu 26-Mar-20 18:29:29

Our leader....

trisher Thu 26-Mar-20 16:41:19

endlessstrife sorry if you felt it was personal it was a general comment about the media who have torn other people to bits for mistakes, but don't mention a major decision.
I don't see why I have to say who should be leading but it would be nice to see some sort of agreement and unison instead of Johnson introducing policies which other people have been advocating several days after they were first suggested. Leaders aren't supposed to play catch up.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Mar-20 16:23:48

Johnson likes to see himself as another Churchill.

Now Churchill was an orator, compare him to Johnson, and understand why Johnson is such a disappointment.

Of course Johnson is and should be entirely guided by the scientists.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Mar-20 16:10:22

jane I’m happy to debate, but please try not to make it personal.

May7 Thu 26-Mar-20 16:07:37

jane10 please noooo not Phillip Schofield may I suggest someone else maybe someone like Patrick Stewart I always thought he has a good command of the language
make it so better than never before has a government put its arms around a nation practically fell off my chair last night

Labaik Thu 26-Mar-20 16:06:04

They are not doing their best. Every decision they've made is too little and too late. They've had 3 months to prepare the country for this and nurses and doctors are having to protect themselves wearing bin bags. A phlebotomist friend of mine had to wear the same face mask for a whole day; her husband [a NHS motor bike delivery driver] is high risk. I will refuse to say this government are doing a grand job when things like that are happening.

Labaik Thu 26-Mar-20 16:00:40

When will some people realise that a lot of us who dislike Johnson [not just because of his personality but because of his lack of professionalism] are not 'left wingers']. However, the strange thing is that a lot of the policies now being enforced are socialist ones.

endlessstrife Thu 26-Mar-20 16:00:34

trisher, sorry you felt the need to be sarcastic with me. I should have said we listen to Heart radio, so in no way attached to the BBC. However, I would assume you wouldn’t believe them either, as you shouldn’t believe any media in that case. This is a crisis of gigantic proportion. Who DO you think should be dealing with it, as Jane10 says? I think they’re all doing their best, and we shouldn’t be putting them down.

Greymar Thu 26-Mar-20 15:58:34

It's not pathetic, it's very very important. Its not some petty go at him. There are other people from the same party who are well worth listening to.

His communication skills are in my opinion poor. I was quite suprised whem I heard him speak as I was willing him to be something different. I can think of many people who are so much better at speaking.
He likes to wing it and it shows.

Jane10 Thu 26-Mar-20 15:57:41

We must agree to differ. I'll never agree with aggrieved left wingers. Luckily I'm not alone.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Mar-20 15:55:44

No that’s Cummings making all the decisions

trisher Thu 26-Mar-20 15:54:34

Jane10 ^He's a politician not an entertainment professional.*
Sorry I think he's more of an entertainment professional- HIGNFY for example. He is in fact a clown.

Jane10 Thu 26-Mar-20 15:53:45

Perhaps you'd prefer Philip Schofield or maybe Ant and Dec to tell the nation what's going on?! I think it's pathetic to fixate on Boris's communication style and conflate it with the hard work going on behind the scenes. FFS he isn't single handedly making every decision. ?

patcaf Thu 26-Mar-20 15:14:42

We all have different views and personally I would much prefer Corbyn to be in charge. However we have Johnson whether we like it or not. People say he is doing his best but quite frankly his best just is not good enough. He acted too late, we do not have enough equipment although they knew about this in January , and he has changed the message several times. I dislike his presentation style but that is purely personal and the audience for his broadcast is actually quite low so not really having an impact.
They need to find a better way to get the distancing message across via social media and postal leaflets.
Anyone who has seriously looked at the financial support or tried to use it would find that it is all smoke and mirrors and is almost impossible to access.
In my view he has a long way to go before we can say he has been a success.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Mar-20 14:53:14

Surely there must be some who voted for brexit who would put lives before dogma? If there are then I would hope they let their mp know what they think of the policy that is doing just that

May7 Thu 26-Mar-20 14:51:09

I agree with you Greymar

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Mar-20 14:48:54

Johnson's policies are what alarms me. His burbleburblewafflewaffle I simply find ridiculous and irritating.

Greymar Thu 26-Mar-20 14:46:22

I have mentioned this before, the front man/woman in my opinion needs to be articulate, concise, empathic and tough.

If BJ is not projecting the right image, let him be of use elsewhere with his phenomenal intellect.

I saw Matt Hancock this morning on TV, sounded fine to my ears.

Jane10 Thu 26-Mar-20 14:42:59

Boris isn't a natural public speaker. That's all. He's a politician not an entertainment professional. He's also only one person and he defers constantly to national experts. There is a whole cabinet and working groups behind the scenes I think he comes over as a quite straightforward front man for a whole lot of people working together in our interest.

Barmeyoldbat Thu 26-Mar-20 14:34:35

Well bringing in the harvest could be done, as it used to be done, by students who are not at college or uni. Also why are we still allowing flights into the country of people from all around the globe. If that had been stopped weeks ago we might well have saved a few deaths.

Hetty58 Thu 26-Mar-20 14:19:22

Let's face it, Boris is not a good speaker, looks like a clown and seems out of his depth.

I actually feel rather sorry for him. He seems to be doing his best - but his speeches, along with the government's half measures just don't inspire confidence!

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Mar-20 14:12:35

Another real and potentially disruptive issue are the amount of farmers calling for help with the harvesting of fruit and veg.

Brexit do or die policy will see it rotting in the fields.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Mar-20 14:10:56

Brexit do or die seems very apt in describing Johnson’s actions.