Chaos when its all over?

Yes, everyone's worried enough without this depressing thread. Please STOP.

Yes, everyone's worried enough without this depressing thread. Please STOP.

The thread has "chaos" IN the title.
Anyone feeling too fragile (which many are at the mo) to contemplate dystopia, should avoid clicking on threads like this all together.

Do not forget that even when we get over this pandemic, there may be another happen in exactly the same way next year. You never know.

Yes they should but you started this thread notanan2.

No I didn't Sawsage2

Sawsage2, do you want to live in cloud cuckoo land with rose-tinted spectacles on - or join in with the lively, factual and logical debate? It's entirely up to you. Reality can be depressing for some!

A well thought out post M0nica
For what it's worth, I agree.

My last post referred to your post at 11am M0nica

notanan2
It wholly depends at what level you want to live. If 2 cars, a 60" TV, Sky. Netflix, 3 children, iPhones and iPads, all the kitchen doo-dads, mortgage and foreign holidays are without your means on a single income, then naturally your partner is going to have to have a job too.
Half the stuff people have nowadays is a case of 'I want' not 'I need' but they often confuse the latter for the former.
No wonder some people are on a hamster wheel of credit not equating to debit.

Just pray you are here at the end of this. Life is what matters.

The level in which I would like to live is the level where I can pay my very modest mortgage, my gas and electric, council tax and other necessary bills. I rarely treat myself to anything, have a holiday, or many luxuries. No sky TV although I do have an old iPad .

Not a big fan of Nicola Sturgeon in any way (understatement!!) but agreed with her when she said "we could repair the economy but we cannot bring back people to life"

Not a big fan of Nicola Sturgeon in any way (understatement!!) but agreed with her when she said "we could repair the economy but we cannot bring back people to life"

Except economic depressions kill too...

Indeed notanan I can see an increase in suicide figures on the horizon . I really can . So easy for the likes of NS to come out with these kinds of statements . Her income will be secure I would assume .

It wholly depends at what level you want to live

Ah I see, youre part of the "just dont have iphones" gang

There are many peoole who already could only just afford essentials before this

No its not a matter of cutting back on a few luxuries. Its about the people who need two incomes just to just about cover the basics!

janeainsworth, your explanation of cause is only part of the story.

I could, quite equally, put the blame on everyone who ever eats chicken - but I won't. 'Normal' is bad - things have to change!

This explains it well:

“We can blame the object – the virus, the cultural practice – but causality extends out into the relationships between people and ecology,”

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/28/is-factory-farming-to-blame-for-coronavirus

I’ll probably be shot down for saying this, but it wouldn’t bother me if after all this we don’t go back to hugging and kissing virtual strangers at every touch and turn.
Family and close friends yes, but not all and sundry.

Calendargirl, I've never done the hugging/kissing/shaking hands stuff anyway. It's just not me as I have far too many allergies. If anyone comes in for a hug I have to back away and explain!

Hetty that is an interesting article, but it doesn’t deny that the cause of Covid19 was transmission from bats to humans via pangolins, and that the Chinese Government has been negligent in its regulation of wet markets.

I think most people would be glad if factory farming didn’t exist.

“I think most people would be glad if factory farming didn’t exist”.

Those that could afford to buy organic or traditional produce would
The rest would go hungry!.

Davidhs Those that could afford to buy organic or traditional produce would. The rest would go hungry!
It isn't necessary to eat the quantity of meat that most people eat, but there is no need for them to go hungry when there are alternatives to meat.

There is probably more intensive production of vegetables than livestock

The rest would go hungry!
Yes, I agree that is the problem, David.

It isn't necessary to eat the quantity of meat that most people eat, but there is no need for them to go hungry when there are alternatives to meat.

The kinds of veggies that grow easily here without intensive processes are not the meat substitute kinds

The meat substitute kinds of veggies we import from overseas intensive farms.

Things will never be the same. Sorry to be the bringer of bad tidings but everyone sat back and allowed our rights to freedom be signed away. These will not be given back to us, on the pretence that it may happen again. I pray that time will prove me wrong.