Boris..intensive care..

Patients are treated according to their need. It’s that simple. Boris needed the care he was given, and if any of us needed the same care we would receive it. Our capacity to treat seriously ill patients in ICU has been increased hugely and quickly. I read only yesterday that there are now more ICU beds available than we need. Nobody will be turned away, but that doesn’t mean that the NHS medics won’t have difficult decisions to make, because some patients will be unable to benefit from the extremely invasive ventilator treatments, and only patients who are likely to benefit will be offered that treatment. It would be negligent of medics to put a patient who is certain to die on to such a treatment regime.

Does this set anyone's mind at ease that everyone who is admitted to hospital with COVID symptoms is treated with the same care and dedication, irrespective of age, status and wealth or lack of it

This is Keith, he's 101 years old.
He went home today after beating Coronavirus.
Well done to everyone on Ward 12 at the Alexandra Hospital for looking after Keith so well for the past two weeks!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-52222315

That is fantastic news. 101! What a legend he is and what fantastic care he obviously received. So much for the elderly being expendable.

A triumph for Keith and all the dedicated staff who cared for him!

Well done to them.

Boris has failed, big time, to lead by example.

He's chosen to ignore the social distancing, isolation and lockdown rules!

Scotland'd Chief Medical officer, Dr Catherine Calderwood, resigned after breaking lockdown rules - by going to her second home.

Now he's gone to his second home - so it's one rule for Boris, another for the rest of us. Why am I not surprised!

The Prime Minister's 'second home' is Chequers, the PM's official country residence. He is convalescing there.

Maybe the Prime Minister caught the virus from cabinet colleagues as he was planning for the State of Emergency, possibly at or around the time when he was being criticised for 'taking a holiday'.

Most likely caught it at the cricket match he went to where he was seen shaking hands with everyone...

He has a perfectly suitable flat in No 11. He can't expect to get away with doing the 'normal Easter' routine - when the rest of us are forbidden to!

As Boris has been away from home while he's been in hospital, I would think he could now safely go to any property as long as he then stays there.

Being in ITU makes you VERY week.
Even after a short time there he may not be able to easily manage steps and stairs.
His ribcage will be tired and his core strength and weight reduced.
His house may suit his physio needs better. He may be going on his post ITU physio/OT advice by being discharged to his house not his flat.

He's not having a holiday, in short.
He'll be building up doing very basic things like sitting upright in chairs by himself. And dealing with the rapid muscle loss from his illness.

It is not uncommon for people to need to not go to their primary residence after that sort of illness if there are stairs and steps and unsuitable layouts.

*medical needs are still allowed to be met"

notanan; can you explain why, if he was in intensive care just a few days ago, he was able to give a 5 minute speech without coughing. From what I've heard people recovering from the virus cough and struggle with their breathing for quite a while afterwards.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/the-road-to-recovery-for-covid-19-patients

notanan; can you explain why, if he was in intensive care just a few days ago, he was able to give a 5 minute speech without coughing.

Timing.
Doing it straight after chest physio or rest, whenever he is best able.
It probably wiped him out for the rest of the day.

He can't expect to get away with doing the 'normal Easter' routine - when the rest of us are forbidden to!

That's tosh, Hetty58

Because of a spell in hospital, Boris had already left the flat at No.11. Chequers is not his second home it's the PM's official country residence so it made sense for him to go there to recuperate.

The fact he was released from hospital at Easter is a coincidence.

With this kind of recovery there are "windows" in the day when you might be better able to walk/breath/see people.

This isnt unusual. And can be why in normal times, nurses can seem quite "mean" /strict about end of visiting time. Its because if these sort of patients talk for much longer they will end up sp exhausted that they wont be able to get themselves back out of the chair and into bed afterwards.

Anyone who has has someone come home from ITU will know what I mean: they might be able to get from A to B in the house at 9am without getting too tired/out of breath, but after a few hours up may no longer be able to do those things at all

This is becoming ludicrous now - the suggestion that he wasn’t really ill and it’s all been a publicity stunt for the sympathy vote!

It’s also insulting the NHS staff who cared for him, that they would be in cahoots! You can’t seriously think they would be that stupid.

From the guardian:
“They get better in time but it may take a year and needs an army of physiotherapy, speech and language, psychology and nursing staff to facilitate this,”

From the guardian

His house may also be where he is registered with his GP and one of the big concerns with second homes is the pressure that puts on gps with temporary registrations

Also Downing street like many workplaces may have been reconfigured so that the staff can move in and live there during the crisis. The national grid has moved its staff in. Makes sense for the wider staff at Downing street to do so too. His flat may already have been reallocated!

If his home needs adaptations like toilet handles or shower seats that might be more sensible to install in his house than the flat too.

If you care to read my vile insensitive post of 12 April I did say that he'd been very ill; this was due to the comments on other forums/facebook pages from people doubting that he had been ill at all.

Labaik a snapshot of someone who is doing rehab doing an activity does not mean that they are able to do that activity all day, or every day.

All this speculation and comment about where Boris is convalescing and what treatment he had is in my humble opinion missing the point. far more important surely is to hope that this experience has had some influence on making him a more compassionate serious minded politician who will show more respect for key workers and reward them accordingly.

BJ is almost certain to have some form of PTSD, psychosis or depression/anxiety symptoms in the comming weeks/months. Almost everyone discharged from ITU does.

Another reason why going to his "home" may be have advised by his team as a medical need.

There are of course all the people who will be involved in his move to the country. His security, his chauffeur the staff at Downing Street. (who he might already have spread it to) the staff at Chequers. But hey as long as it's what he wants. Ridiculous to think the Downing Street flat couldn't be adapted for him. Of course his bidey-in is at Chequers and he wants to be with her. Can someone explain to me if there are 2 official residences why the one that is used least isn't a second home?

I thought it was only if you were intubed that you had major problems; a friend of mine that had been put in an induced coma suffered from anxiety for a long time afterwards. We're no longer in touch so I'm not sure how she is now. It's why the thought of being on a ventilator terrifies me. Having said that some people have no memory of it whatsoever.