New rules from 4th July just announced,

BlueSky

Exactly retired people like ourselves can carry on as before. We are lucky to have a choice.

Yes, we are.

Don't forget, if anyone comes over the border to the Welsh hills, it's still 2 metres distancing!

So I can go to a restaurant with a large group of single friends but can only have six people in my garden? Not sure this makes sense to me. Or have I misunderstood the new guidelines?

And we still can't stay in second homes it seems although we can book a holiday to Spain! Totally confusing - I've just read the official information and it says it's still not allowed and another report mentions August and yet this new set of rules says someone shielding can stay overnight with a family member. What's the difference? We would be taking food etc and wouldn't need to go out at all or see anyone else!

That does sound crazy as I think you can go and stay in a holiday cottage, but not your own? Do I have that correct?

I used to pride myself on my ability to grasp news ideas easily but this is confusing...is it me?

In England second home visiting overnight will now definitely be allowed from July 4th. With or without another household. And owners will be allowed to let them out although there may well be some restrictions on this, yet to be revealed. Not much time to get organised.

Yes all a bit of a confusing pickle but am pleased we can now have our provisionally booked 2 weeks at our caravan in July. That was another anomaly, I feel, eg sit in a self contained house with own toilet, shower etc and only go out for walks and supermarket was permitted, but previously not allowed to sit in our self contained caravan with own toilet, shower etc or go out for walks in a much less crowded environment and to another branch of the same supermarket chain!

Please can anyone tell me if I can have a passenger in my car as some of my friends don’t drive? Also if I meet someone somewhere we have to take two cars
I would be grateful for any replies

I suggested to my 2 sons we go on a british hol as soon as open as it will be pristine clean then- so less risk - but NO, they said.So i tried "shall we hire a small campervan- surely thats safe enough?" Again a resounding NO- They've been scared witless too much to go out in the world till at least nxt year! Or till a vaccine! Theyre 17& 21 and i dont know what we'll do if at some point they've to go back to college and Uni? Older one does risk going to local shop very occasionally and to pick up a click& collect shop if we have to but then goes in all PPE & gets showered& changed immediately after.Dont know how they'll cope if theres never a vaccine found.

I’m confused re the rules for ones who are shielded .My 92 year old Mum will be shielded now until August.I ve followed the rules, a distance chat in the garden a distance walk out with just me from my household.From 6 th July Mum can have five others at a distance in the garden .I also read that she can form a bubble, two of us from one household only can be close to Mum ,the rest of the others 2 metres apart .So three of us close together , the others 2 metres apart outside is how I’ve understood it.However can the bubble meet inside then even though Mum is shielded ?Thought I d got it .Then further down the document it stipulates no bubbles for the shielded.So bubble inside or out or at all for the shielded ?Help !

@0205s My understanding is that we can still only travel in our cars with members of our own household.

Moggie57- i was able to give one of my GC a quick hug last week as DD dropped something off.But my youngest son insisted i get changed after because of the risk and he didn't even come downstairs, or his brother- yes they've some health problems but if even the shielding are to be allowed out they both really need to get a grip on this, and try live a bit.But i fear now the rules are changed that my other DD will want to bring the kids and though ive greatly missed them i can see it freaking my sons out if they do?- its really very exhausting thinking& fretting over it all

jelly shielded people can form bubble now in exactly the same ways as non-shielded people.

Everything now is guidance - there are no rules and no one knows what if anything would happen to anyone, especially businesses, who ignore them

My own ‘rule’ now based on what. I read and hear ( from a wide variety of trusted sources) is to do what is safe for me ( because I’m very cautious by definition this means it’s safe for others) I’m very risk averse and so it’s irrelevant for me what the guidance says for example about giving someone a lift in my car, I just won’t because I’m not prepared to take the risk, small as I accept it is.

I feel the gov't are deliberately making it hard to understand so that if any of them 'get caught out again' they will just say we 'misunderstood rules', like before with cummings! Its all turning into a bloody farce!

Until toilets are easily accessible, I won't be going anywhere!

Mam I think it’s extremely unkind to tell shielded people ‘to get a grip’. Shielded people are not an homogenous group either physically or emotionally and their choices should be respected. If we’re kind and understanding with those most concerned, that might help them eventually but either way, we should be gentle and kind

Nan I meant of course

I dont see how keeping vulnerable shielded so long then just letting them back out in amongst others is going to help them at all? Its just risking them anyway when we've kept them safe?

Jellybean I am too

It seems I can visit family far away over the border in England in a bubble if I wish but not those in Wales who live 7 miles away.
That is, not until Wales opens its borders to holidaymakers from England and elsewhere, when I will retreat behind my garden gate yet again.

I read on the rolling news on the BBC that from 4 July family can provide childcare again. But I can't see any information on that does anyone know?

Suziewoozy i meant my OWN SONS to get a grip not everyone whose shielded the world over!

Furret

That does sound crazy as I think you can go and stay in a holiday cottage, but not your own? Do I have that correct?

I used to pride myself on my ability to grasp news ideas easily but this is confusing...is it me?

Although it's not a laughing matter.

I don't have a holiday cottage unfortunately but this is ludicrous.

Suziewoozie i meant, of course!

I agree. We don't have to visit these places.

Gransing

I agree. We don't have to visit these places.

No, but some of us are longing for a change of scene.

And i meant they need to get a grip on the irrational fears that are escalating by the day- the younger folk seem to be more worried about going out in real world than older folk- now i can see why they said on news its affecting them mentally/emotionally as well, with being away from education- its a fine line, and of course im being understanding with them both, but if i allow fear/being irrationally freaked out to take over then im failing them as a parent- im trying to help them gently get back out there a bit.